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Is as lovely as before 18 27.27%
Beauty of the game has been sacrifised by tactics 12 18.18%
Teams are too cautious and players are nervous 10 15.15%
Is too much result oriented 4 6.06%
Don't like analysis, just love to watch 11 16.67%
Couldn't care less about it 23 34.85%
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Old 23.06.2010, 02:01
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Not sure if anyone picked up on the article in the FT today regarding the Swiss football style. Pretty funny for a FT article:


Setback for Swiss masters of defence

By Simon Kuper
Published: June 22 2010 03:00 | Last updated: June 22 2010 03:00

There was a solemn moment 67 minutes into the Swiss game against Chile in Port Elizabeth yesterday. Just as two Swiss defenders were trying to bore the Chilean forward Alexis Sanchez to sleep by a distant touchline, the Swiss set a new world record: they had gone 551 minutes, stretching back to 1994, without conceding a goal in a World Cup.
Soon afterwards Chile's Mark Gonzalez headed home the game's only goal, but the Swiss had made their point. A country never previously much interested in the world's game has built a football tradition, and it is earth-shatteringly tedious. If they can somehow squeak past Honduras on Friday, it could even take them into the second round.
Switzerland was long a country of downhill skiing, with a few semi-professional footballers who were ignored by the population at large. Stefan Szymanski, sports economist at Cass Business School in London, says that in only one decade before the 1980s did the Nati (as the national team is fondly nicknamed) win even 40 per cent of their matches: the 1940s, when most of their opponents had certain wellpublicised problems.
But from the 1980s, Swiss daily life was touched by globalisation. People immigrated from football countries and had children, known in Switzerland as " Secondos ", who preferred football to skiing. Ever more foreign television channels beamed foreign football over the Alps. Switzerland aped France by setting up "performance centres" for young footballers. Since 1990 Switzerland have won more than 55 per cent of their matches and occasionally crept into international tournaments.
There they are champions of the mixed zone, the place where ageing journalists scream questions at passing players wearing their headphones. The Swiss answer fluently in almost any language, like the football team of an excellent language school.
About a decade ago, the Swiss hit on their own unique style: keep 10 men behind the ball all the time (or nine if Valon Behrami is sent off for hitting a Chilean in the face, as happened yesterday) and kill the match. Never produce an unexpected pass or dribble or moment from the playground. The new national style reached even the highest Swiss mountaintops. Shortly before the last World Cup, Germany, on training camp in Switzerland, played against a team of Geneva teenagers. The kids held them scoreless for 25 minutes. The Swiss had created a football culture.
Euro 2008 was to have been their moment. Unfortunately, as hosts, they felt obliged to attack. They looked like sheep trying to dance hip-hop. The Nati exited in just four days, even faster than the Bafana Bafana have managed here.
The Swiss arrived in South Africa with a game-plan, which they are forever polishing in their headquarters in the Emerald Resort & Casino in Vanderbijlpark: bore the pants off 100m-plus television viewers every match. It worked perfectly in the opener against Spain. The 1-0 victory was - amid not very stiff competition - the highlight of Swiss football history. There was dancing on the streets of Zurich. One fan, Debora Tamborini, drove around the town of Dietikon hooting her horn in joy. Admittedly the police fined her - it was, after all, 6.45pm - but Ms Tamborini stood for a nation gone nuts.
Only a few dissident Swiss are now grappling with a discomfiting moral issue: the knowledge that the World Cup would be a better place without their team. Is it worth blighting the tournament in order to grind your way to the second round? But this is not a popular view in Zurich, where the police have officially proclaimed a "free night" with celebrations until dawn should Switzerland sneak through on Friday. If that happens, lock up your daughters.
that's brilliant but i do hope the swiss go through. it would be so much more fun here.

i hope england make it through. they've been playing so terribly, though.
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does anyone know the best place to see Aus Vs Serbia, is there a big screen in Züri somewhere outside to see it??

& are there any other aussies around going to check it out?
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that's brilliant but i do hope the swiss go through. it would be so much more fun here.

i hope england make it through. they've been playing so terribly, though.
It would be nice if the Swiss team succeeded next time. But realism ought to be the command of the day for the public. The result against Spain and the "lost" match against Chile by just one goal are a good average result for the Swiss team. The aim of coaches of the Swiss National Team in such "meetings" always has been to push the team as far UP as possible, in order to be with the crowd

Compare the situation with Algeria. That team lost the first match but was able to show the way to the England team in the second encounter. By all probability, neither Switzerland nor Algeria will make it to the top, but both struggle to get UP as far as possible
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Setback for Swiss masters of defence
Tongue in cheek but pretty funny
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Old 23.06.2010, 10:45
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The Swiss play total football compared to Greece.
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Old 23.06.2010, 15:04
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French Flying Home From Cup In Disgrace
The day's headlines

L'EQUIPE
Under a front page banner headline "The End of a World", France's premier sports daily wrote: "This is an unbelievable rout for Raymond Domenech ... To take people for imbeciles might be an amusing game, but you have to know when to stop. Provocation is a subtle art and no doubt a form of intelligence, but only if it is not stained by haughtiness and arrogance."
The paper also urged the government to shake up the French soccer federation "so that it is no longer in the hands of these puppets".


FRANCE SOIR
"The image of 'Les Bleus' both on and off the field has been catastrophic. In 11 days of competition, Raymond Domenech's gang has succeeded in becoming the laughing stock of the entire world, a mix of arrogance, incompetence, a lack of talent and professionalism."


LIBERATION
"This tragi-comedy has finally come to an end ... It goes without saying that those who are responsible have to face up to the consequences of this historic fiasco for French soccer ... The collapse of the French team is also a failure for the cynicism which poisons football like so many other professions."


LE PARISIEN "The French team's apocalyptical World Cup ends in a manner that is both desperate and nightmarish -- a logical conclusion to an attitude and a game that was unworthy, shameful and revolting. Thanks guys, you have ruined this nascent summer for the French who were counting on you to help them forget their daily worries. ... (Domenech's) disappearance from the footballing landscape is the only good news of the day."

LA MONTAGNE
"It is a cavalry where the death knell has tolled for the fiasco of a generation of mercenary, fragile French players, who are out of step with the reality which encircles them."


SUD-OUEST
"Rarely has defeat been greeted with such relief. As if it was urgent to put an end to this cavalry, to lance this unbearable abscess, to no longer offer this spectacle to the rest of the world and move on to something else. ... It would have been better if Les Bleus had never gone to South Africa. Without doubt, the descent to hell has not yet finished."

DERNIERES NOUVELLES D'ALSACE
"This failure is first and foremost the story of millionaire stars aged 24 and 25, the story of kids who grew up too quickly, far from real problems. Youths with outsized egos who were gathered together for months in a claustrophobic environment."
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Old 23.06.2010, 15:09
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that's brilliant but i do hope the swiss go through. it would be so much more fun here.

i hope england make it through. they've been playing so terribly, though.
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Tongue in cheek but pretty funny
Funny it may be (and it was), but quite frankly I'd settle for Switzerland's record over England's in this world cup...
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Old 23.06.2010, 15:17
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Guesses for the England-Slovenia scoreline?

I reckon 1-2 to Slovenia
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Old 23.06.2010, 15:21
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Guesses for the England-Slovenia scoreline?

I reckon 1-2 to Slovenia
That many hey?

I was thinking more 0-2...
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Old 23.06.2010, 15:29
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LA MONTAGNE
"It is a cavalry where the death knell has tolled for the fiasco of a generation of mercenary, fragile French players, who are out of step with the reality which encircles them."
I really like this quote, which survives translation well . . . the idea of being threateningly encircled by reality. The metaphor harks back also to the Boer Laager.
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Old 23.06.2010, 15:32
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That many hey?

I was thinking more 0-2...
You are predicting a high scoring game there. There is little evidence of either side scoring 1 let alone 2
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Can England truly lose today?
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The sentries are reporting Slovenians to the West, Sir. Eleven of them..."

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Big game day!!!!!!
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The sentries are reporting Slovenians to the West, Sir. Eleven of them..."

You've requoted the correct quote!

(Rather than, for instance, saying, "Vuvuzelas! Thousands of them!")

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You are predicting a high scoring game there. There is little evidence of either side scoring 1 let alone 2
Really? Slovenia put 1 past Algeria and 2 past the US. England... well... err... managed 1 past the US and 0 past Algeria. Based on that alone they can score 2 against England, FTW

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Can England truly lose today?
Err... yes.

English proverb: Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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Gooooooaaaaaaalllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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GO GHANA!

('cos England sure ain't gonna beat Germany... )
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Woo-HOOOOOOO! Wooo-hoooo, wooo-hooo and, furthermore, wooooo-hooooo!

(sorry about that. but at least it's a little more charming than U S A! U S A! U S A!)

(also it's fun to get excited about this, like, sports stuff)
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GO GHANA!

('cos England sure ain't gonna beat Germany... )
I think the idea to play England next will motivate the German team even more. I will bet in my company wc game on a 5:6 a.P.
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