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Is as lovely as before 18 27.27%
Beauty of the game has been sacrifised by tactics 12 18.18%
Teams are too cautious and players are nervous 10 15.15%
Is too much result oriented 4 6.06%
Don't like analysis, just love to watch 11 16.67%
Couldn't care less about it 23 34.85%
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I don't really see the point of commentary. I have it on mute,Kitchens of Distinction on the stereo..now all I need is a brewski.
How do you know then if the ref actually gives the clear goal or spotted the offside?
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How do you know then if the ref actually gives the clear goal or spotted the offside?
Goal: they usually start from the middle again.

Offside: they usually take a spot kick, show the linesman and then replay the action and put a grey box on the screen to show it was offside.

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Does Seth Blatter know he is living in the 21st century, where someone on a train travelling 200km/h 12,000 kms away can see the wifi enabled super-slow motion replay of the ball crossing the line, 15 seconds after it happened?

The problem FIfa's excuses for avoiding the introduction of technology are ambigious at best and plain farsical in the light of day. I honestly believe the time will come, as soon as the old man kicks the bucket or someone gets some balls and over-throws the dinosaur. Rant over.

England were beaten by a faster, hungier, technically superior team who played like a team. Two of their goals were late passes before the strike, and that has to be praised. Their level of ego is comendable and they are truely playing for the team, for the country, rather than just self glory.... perhaps that is the difference.


I hate to keep harking back on this, but Australia's group D was a freakin tough group, evidenced with both Ghana and Germany going through to the quarters......

Finally, anyone else think there is a corelation between home grown coaches versus imported coaches, just look at the results so far.
The first thing everybody seems to forget is that England managed to score two goals in rapid sucession to - "morally" at least, even the score. This displays the porousness of Germany's defence and underlines the fact that the game was in essence lost by the English - all the Germans had to do was rub their noses in it. If England had managed to overcome this fairly minor hurdle (the not given goal) it would have shamed Germany beyond belief since they are the ones always whining about the '66 goal. They didn't have what it takes. The question is why.

First of all the English tendancy to associate football and war is unfortunate. The English didn't even manage to win at Agincourt - Welsh bowmen (IIRC) being the carriers of the day which set the tone for Celtic warrior domination that carried them (English) through most of the other famous campaigns.
Secondly, and even more telling, the English commanders always start their wars very badly - it takes them ages to weed out the donkeys and find somebody capable - often they can't even manage that in WWII many of their best commanders were Irish and lets face it, Monty was no Wellington (also Irish). The Falklands has been about the only occasion where the English managed to aquit themselves well in a reasonable ammount of time. In football the English are left to their own devices (although lets face it the Lions haven't exactly inspired recently either) and 90 minutes is simply too short to muddle your way through against a bunch of Algerians let alone a platoon of Blitzkriegers.

The World Cup is the only place where many nationalities have the ability to shine. Nobody is interested in the German leagues, the Spanish is a little lobsided and the Italian seems to have fallen out of fashion. The current place to be is the premier league. English footballers simply don't need the World Cup - under the presumption that they don't believe that they will win it - all their necessary glory comes from playing at home.

There is a fair chance that the premier league will fail badly soon. MU's impending bankrupcy - once somebody questions the value proposition of English football - will destroy the league, you need a critical mass of excellent, or at least well financed, teams to sustain football at this level.

You have massive egos in every international team - except Germany and that is because none of them are good enough yet, although I do believe that they will mature gracefully in that department . In fact many sucessful international teams are built around one or two players - I don't believe you can blame the English players - its systemic.
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Blatter "sorry" for disallowed England goal: BBC link here

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Sepp Blatter has apologised for England's disallowed goal and said they will look again at goal line technology.

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"Personally I deplore it when you see evident referee mistakes but it's not the end of a competition or the end of football, this can happen."
What kind of logic is that? It's like a murderer saying that he regrets killing but it is not end of humanity
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Blatter "sorry" for disallowed England goal: BBC link here

Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
Another beer for you - this is going to be an expensive thread.

You are in top form these last few days, what's in your water?
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Sepp Blatter has apologised for England's disallowed goal and said they will look again at goal line technology.
That is not what is needed. What they need is a supervisor who has access to video technology and can overrule the referee's decisions when they are clearly wrong.

Otherwise ridiculous decisions like in the Mexico-Argentina game, the France-Ireland game or the game where Graham Poll got mixed up with his yellow cards will continue to happen.

I am really looking forward to the day when football finally gets rid of that stubborn little man Sepp Blatter.
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Anyone googled "IFAB" recently?




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What they need is a supervisor who has access to video technology and can overrule the referee's decisions when they are clearly wrong.
Overrule the ref? Let the ref change his decision based on "new" information?

Have you any idea how what that will do to the price of match-fixing?
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Old 29.06.2010, 13:17
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Just some food for the discussion: I am not a great fan of video analysis - it never can be in real time and might be bad for the game... but: Adidas does have the solution for the "goal question" for years - and it was even successfully tested in the 2007 club WC in Japan:



The "intelligent football" Teamgeist 2 has a position sensor which tracks tons of statistical data, but most importantly: There is another sensor under the goal line, which would immediately and on the cm exact say if the ball was completely over the line or not. You could have a simple light next to the goal and the ref would immediately know what to do.

The ball was invented to prevent "another Wembley goal".

The Fifa rejected it after the successful test and said that they are rather considering additional refs behind the goals "to not loose the human factor of the game"...

http://www.gizmag.com/adidas-intelligent-football/8512/

http://archiv.sportmuseum.info/samml...gente-fusball/
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Just some food for the discussion: I am not a great fan of video analysis - it never can be in real time and might be bad for the game... but: Adidas does have the solution for the "goal question" for years - and it was even successfully tested in the 2007 club WC in Japan:


The "intelligent football" Teamgeist 2 has a position sensor which tracks tons of statistical data, but most importantly: There is another sensor under the goal line, which would immediately and on the cm exact say if the ball was completely over the line or not. You could have a simple light next to the goal and the ref would immediately know what to do.

The ball was invented to prevent "another Wembley goal".

The Fifa rejected it after the successful test and said that they are rather considering additional refs behind the goals "to not loose the human factor of the game"...

http://www.gizmag.com/adidas-intelligent-football/8512/

http://archiv.sportmuseum.info/samml...gente-fusball/
Germanys belated response to 1966? I agree, I'm not a fan of VA either - but I think England should have been able to cope with a freak disallowed goal - what is more tricky to detect are offsides, nasty fouls and Schwalben. If anything, that is what you need in important competitions rather than separating the Hursts from the Lampards.
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what is more tricky to detect are offsides.
I'd bet that you could use the same technology to detect offsides: Every player a sensor. But in the end: I personally did not see many "questionable" decisions - the ones we are discussing her from the England and the Argentina games were so blatantly wrong that I guess the most efficient way would to invest more into ref training... the goal was not even near the line and the Argentinians were not exactly "same height" either...
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FIFA president apologises for disallowed goals. Well you can take your sorries and....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...10/8771294.stm
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FIFA president apologises for disallowed goals. Well you can take your sorries and....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...10/8771294.stm
See above.
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I'd bet that you could use the same technology to detect offsides: Every player a sensor. But in the end: I personally did not see many "questionable" decisions - the ones we are discussing her from the England and the Argentina games were so blatantly wrong that I guess the most efficient way would to invest more into ref training... the goal was not even near the line and the Argentinians were not exactly "same height" either...
Sure, you could fit every player with a GPS sensor and radio trasmitter - or use an overhead camera and video analysis but that is in my opinion going a bit too big brother.

How many goals fall out like the Hurst/Lampard tuple? Is it really worth the effort to install technology to catch just those few dodgy ones? Wouldn't an offside/foul detector be better because they happen more often be a better investment?
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The Fifa rejected it after the successful test and said that they are rather considering additional refs behind the goals "to not loose the mafia factor of the game"...
Corrected that for you (or specifically, FeeFah)
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Sure, you could fit every player with a GPS sensor and radio trasmitter - or use an overhead camera and video analysis but that is in my opinion going a bit too big brother.
Er . . . they're surrounded by thousands of people in the stadium and they're on telly. What private activity do you think we'd be additionally intruding on?
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Er . . . they're surrounded by thousands of people in the stadium and they're on telly. What private activity do you think we'd be additionally intruding on?
its not privacy - its concentration on statistics like rooney only ran 12.23 kilometers today when he usually runs 12.43 or messi turned on average 93.5 degrees 12.6 times.
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