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Is as lovely as before 18 27.27%
Beauty of the game has been sacrifised by tactics 12 18.18%
Teams are too cautious and players are nervous 10 15.15%
Is too much result oriented 4 6.06%
Don't like analysis, just love to watch 11 16.67%
Couldn't care less about it 23 34.85%
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Old 30.06.2010, 19:31
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Poor Nigeria - the team got banned for two years owing to a dismal performance.
Just as France pushed the president of the french football federation to resign, now there is another state imposing rules on a national football federation. Interestingly, the FIFA sent a protest to french government asking it not to interfere with the federation and introduce politics. So where are the borders between FIFA and the national states? Does a national team "belong" to a country or to the FIFA?

PS: Since the Nigerian government also failed to deliver all the promises it made to its population, it should also show the example and resign.
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Old 30.06.2010, 19:46
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Just as France pushed the president of the french football federation to resign, now there is another state imposing rules on a national football federation. Interestingly, the FIFA sent a protest to french government asking it not to interfere with the federation and introduce politics. So where are the borders between FIFA and the national states? Does a national team "belong" to a country or to the FIFA?
The French federation is recognised by FIFA as representing France. But unless there is a direct license required to represent France or carry any protected symbols then the dwarf has no right to go bossing people around. But then when times are good they always want the photo op.
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Old 01.07.2010, 10:55
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Re: 2010 World Cup actual match discussion here (all matches)

Germany waiting for the next victory after the Eurovision song contest... (this song is currently higher in the charts than the original)

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Old 01.07.2010, 11:58
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Germany waiting for the next victory after the Eurovision song contest... (this song is currently higher in the charts than the original)
Brilliant - pity the singer doesn't know the difference between a SA and Aussie accent
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Old 01.07.2010, 12:06
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Brilliant - pity the singer doesn't know the difference between a SA and Aussie accent
I thought the accent is a parody on Lena's rather weird (trained? fake British?) one... just as the black dress, the hair or the clumsy moves...

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Old 01.07.2010, 12:31
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So where are the borders between FIFA and the national states? Does a national team "belong" to a country or to the FIFA?
FIFA has clear guidelines (or so they say) that football associations should be run absolutely independently of government politics.

The national team does not belong to the government.

IMO France has already crossed the line and should sanctioned for this breach. Let's see what happens.
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Old 01.07.2010, 12:53
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IMO France has already crossed the line and should sanctioned for this breach. Let's see what happens.
Who is France (in this context) and who gets sanctioned and how?
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Old 01.07.2010, 13:21
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Not sure how accurate this is but the North Korean team will be sent to coal mines as punishment for their performance in the World Cup.
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Old 01.07.2010, 13:42
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Not sure how accurate this is but the North Korean team will be sent to coal mines as punishment for their performance in the World Cup.
That's not a punishment that's a reward...
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Old 01.07.2010, 13:59
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Who is France (in this context) and who gets sanctioned and how?
If a government has been seen to be interfering with its national football association, then that association is suspended from FIFA membership (and thus any international competitions).

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federa...d=1209619.html
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federa...sid=99756.html
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/FIFA_sus...champions_Iraq

General review here:
http://www.playthegame.org/news/deta...ence-4594.html
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Old 01.07.2010, 14:11
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If a government has been seen to be interfering with its national football association, then that association is suspended from FIFA membership (and thus any international competitions).
And we all know that neither Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin or any of the African despots ever interfered with their national team...

Where were the consequences? Ever?
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Re: 2010 World Cup actual match discussion here (all matches)

On top of N Korea probably getting sent to mines, Nigeria's president is banning international soccer for 2 years due to their poor performance. Nothing to boost a team's skill level like sitting them for 2 years!
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On top of N Korea probably getting sent to mines, Nigeria's president is banning international soccer for 2 years due to their poor performance. Nothing to boost a team's skill level like sitting them for 2 years!
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Thank you. I'm really looking forward to this weekends Germany v Argentina match, and especially looking forward to my August move to Lausanne.
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Old 01.07.2010, 19:24
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First of all the English tendancy to associate football and war is unfortunate. The English didn't even manage to win at Agincourt - Welsh bowmen (IIRC) being the carriers of the day which set the tone for Celtic warrior domination that carried them (English) through most of the other famous campaigns.
Secondly, and even more telling, the English commanders always start their wars very badly - it takes them ages to weed out the donkeys and find somebody capable - often they can't even manage that in WWII many of their best commanders were Irish and lets face it, Monty was no Wellington (also Irish). The Falklands has been about the only occasion where the English managed to aquit themselves well in a reasonable ammount of time. In football the English are left to their own devices (although lets face it the Lions haven't exactly inspired recently either) and 90 minutes is simply too short to muddle your way through against a bunch of Algerians let alone a platoon of Blitzkriegers.

The World Cup is the only place where many nationalities have the ability to shine. Nobody is interested in the German leagues, the Spanish is a little lobsided and the Italian seems to have fallen out of fashion. The current place to be is the premier league. English footballers simply don't need the World Cup - under the presumption that they don't believe that they will win it - all their necessary glory comes from playing at home.

There is a fair chance that the premier league will fail badly soon. MU's impending bankrupcy - once somebody questions the value proposition of English football - will destroy the league, you need a critical mass of excellent, or at least well financed, teams to sustain football at this level.

You have massive egos in every international team - except Germany and that is because none of them are good enough yet, although I do believe that they will mature gracefully in that department . In fact many sucessful international teams are built around one or two players - I don't believe you can blame the English players - its systemic.
Very well said. I was reading a London tabloid the other day and the column starts of telling the English to 'grow up' and stop complaining about the footy results, because at least we 'won the war'. That was the crux of his article, heh we were butchered on the playing field the other day but at least we won the war.

I think its pretty common knowledge that the EPL must take some of the blame for the current situation, I believe the current figure being branded around is 36% of players in the EPL are nationals compared with 56% in Germany. The argument is that German football has a much better grass roots system to encourage talent, as evidence by their U21 form and the inclusion of several key players from the U21 in die Mannschaft, compared with 1 or 2 in England. I also read that Capello didnt even bother to turn up to see the European U21 final last year where Germany (including current wunderkinds Ozil and Müller) thrashed England by 4 goals......

The gross amount of money plughed back into youth development is actually higher in Germany than it is in England even though the latter's revenue streams are vastly superior. This points to the reliance on 'buying' o/s talent for immediate results and long-term youth development suffers.
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Very well said. I was reading a London tabloid the other day and the column starts of telling the English to 'grow up' and stop complaining about the footy results, because at least we 'won the war'. That was the crux of his article, heh we were butchered on the playing field the other day but at least we won the war.

I think its pretty common knowledge that the EPL must take some of the blame for the current situation, I believe the current figure being branded around is 36% of players in the EPL are nationals compared with 56% in Germany. The argument is that German football has a much better grass roots system to encourage talent, as evidence by their U21 form and the inclusion of several key players from the U21 in die Mannschaft, compared with 1 or 2 in England. I also read that Capello didnt even bother to turn up to see the European U21 final last year where Germany (including current wunderkinds Ozil and Müller) thrashed England by 4 goals......

The gross amount of money plughed back into youth development is actually higher in Germany than it is in England even though the latter's revenue streams are vastly superior. This points to the reliance on 'buying' o/s talent for immediate results and long-term youth development suffers.
I think if you look at a cross section of sports Germany does much better than many other nations. Even if it boasts the largest population I get the impression that they do over-proportionally well with respect to Britian. Several things are noticable - they don't do school/university sports, its all club based. They don't have much in the way of traditional events. No Eton/Harrow, Oxford/Cambridge for them. Britian and Ireland are much more haphazard - I'd say soccer is different but every other sport is, in my opinion - and I played rugger in a "tradition" school in Ireland, hampered by the school/university system.
I know that Britian has had much better results since using lotto money to sponser their athletes but that money is only applicable to those with proven potential, the path to that point is left to chance. I know that Germans are unimaginative in many things, my FIL opened a bottle of champers to celebrate his sons entry into his tenth club - he was of the opinion, shared by very many Germans of that generation - that one should pick something and stick with it.
There is another thing, call it the Germanic work ethic. The Swiss have it as well. In any other country Federer would at best make it into Big Brother and certainly spend his time rolling in the hay with buxom peasant girls, or drunken sluts from Leeds, take you pick - or take Schumacher no recognisable personality but a drive that would be considered downright rude in England - what it does is to produce dour people with mental strength as well as the necessary skill set and very few nations are capable of producing anything similar on such a regular basis.
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Re: 2010 World Cup actual match discussion here (all matches)

Good to never give up the hope:
Absent Russia will win World Cup, 8 percent of nation say:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6603PG20100701
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I think if you look at a cross section of sports Germany does much better than many other nations. Even if it boasts the largest population I get the impression that they do over-proportionally well with respect to Britian....
Doesn't Germany have nearly double the population of England?

Also England has 3 national team sports while if I am not mistaken Germany only has 1 (or 2, Not sure how popular handball is).

Anyway I don't think the german team has ever been vastly superior to the England team just better at penalties.

BTW Seriously comparing football to war is...how to put it politely? "a little bit silly"
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Doesn't Germany have nearly double the population of England?
No - roughly 80 million v. roughly 60 million.

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Also England has 3 national team sports while if I am not mistaken Germany only has 1 (or 2, Not sure how popular handball is).
Look at any olympic medal table (winter or summer) - they beat us at nearly everything.
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Doesn't Germany have nearly double the population of England?

Also England has 3 national team sports while if I am not mistaken Germany only has 1 (or 2, Not sure how popular handball is).

Anyway I don't think the german team has ever been vastly superior to the England team just better at penalties.
Don't quite get the second sentence but I had the olympics more than soccer, hockey etc in mind whilst writing that.
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