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Old 20.02.2011, 18:10
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

We all used to be newbies and at some point of time went thru baptism of fire by long standing members in form of sarcastic remarks and snide comments. I used to take it with either pinch of salt or humour. I have never had problems with newbies and their questions. I even remember there was a time when I used to post welcome messages but given amount of people joining it was nearly impossible to answer them all on individual basis.

Sometimes even I enjoyed posting innocent funny tripe and tease others but what really pisses me off is aggressive messages from some members towards newcomers who ask questions about salaries. If you feel like the amounts quoted surpass your imagination and you cannot cope with fact that someone can make six digit salaries it is not they problem that they spoilt your day because you cannot cope with it. There are plenty of professionals here who worked hard for their education and fit within this salary range for a reason. Then perhaps it is good to do yourself a favour and skip reading these posts about $$$ salaries and move on.
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Old 20.02.2011, 19:16
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

Well guys, the background problem behind this particular Thread should now be done and dusted. A rather nice guy on here has obviously spent the whole afternoon and half the evening making this Thread, so in future, we can all be polite to Newbies asking about earnings and simply tell them that in the Sticky at the top of the Employment Thread there is a page crammed with information awaiting their perusal.

And if they need to know about cost of living and taxes there are also Threads on these subjects to be found in to relevant forum.
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Old 20.02.2011, 19:18
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

When I first arrived in Basel I felt lost and disorientated. Like so many others I was a stranger in a foreign land. Neither myself nor my wife spoke any Swiss or German. I came to Basel because my wife had been unemployed in Britain for over a year and with a 25% cut in Health and Social Care being brought about by the new alliance government I was staring at losing my position as a senior social work consultant and therapist. When we got desperate enough to start looking at overseas posts my wife was offered a job here and we came as economic migrants. We came because we felt we had too.
I will not bore forum veterans (who would dare) with the somewhat extensive list of emotional, psychological and pragmatic difficulties such a move entails or the absolute need new people have for help support and advice. But such things are needed. New people are very dependent on the kindness of strangers. I certainly have been and will be forever grateful to those people I have met here in Basel who have openly and graciously helped me for no other reason than that they have wanted too.
As Village Idiot has noticed there is a very damaged and hostile culture on the forum that some members seem to exploit to allow themselves to criticize, insult and attack people who are simply asking for help and advice. The reasons why people would want to 'offload' and generally abuse other people who are in the same situation as themselves can be found in numerous psychological and therapeutic papers and books. Again I will not bore forum veterans with any details.
The question I would like to ask is why does the forum (by repeated posts by members of this nature) seem to allow this. Whilst those new people who are treated in this way on this forum are adults and seem to be able most of the time to cope with the 'school playground' nature of such comments bullying is not fun. I wonder how many new members are lost every month by receiving such a reception.
Does the forum wish to become a playground for expat bullies?
Whilst those members who use the forum for this purpose will get a short-term cathartic affect from this behavior the reinforcement of it by their actions are as likely to damage them as it is to damage those new people who are subject to it. Could the forum be more than this? What help can it give those people who clearly find themselves compelled to act in this manner?
I have read many posts by people who are clearly attempting to be kind and helpful. What help can they be given to make their voice louder and bigger?
What does the forum want its culture to be? What voice does it have?

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Old 20.02.2011, 19:33
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I have read many posts by people who are clearly attempting to be kind and helpful. What help can they be given to make their voice louder and bigger?
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Old 20.02.2011, 19:45
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

I agree with Longbyt that the 'Newbie Bashing' is sometimes excessive. I see nothing wrong with gentle reminders to point people in the right direction for the future.

I have noticed an increase of comments along the lines of "please don't complain. I have done a search but could not find anything."

I think that the majority of the issues are the fault of the system rather than new members. The search facility is not straightforward or conclusive. There are huge numbers of threads to search through. Some searches provide large numbers of answers that are not practical to trawl through. Thread titles are not always clear indications of the thread content. Possibly, the information to new members should be revised to help them more.

New members are not give a training course or induction programme on joining the forum. It is very much a case of learning by experience. English may not be their first language and they may not be proficient IT users. There is not a qualification requirement for joining. The forum is open to all.

As one of the more established forum members, I am still finding out things about the forum.

We can all help by ensuring that thread titles are clear. Report spelling mistakes in titles that may affect searching. Report duplicate threads so that they can be merged. Don't moan when threads are merged. Mods are doing this to tidy up the forum for future searching.

None of this will stop the repeat questions but may reduce them.

Asking questions about subjects that have been covered before isn't exclusive to new members. Established members do this as well.
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Old 20.02.2011, 19:52
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

We could keep it down a bit though, if folk just looked for one second to see if something similar had been covered before. In spite of the sticky in the Housing in General Thread, with a title which showed what was in there and links inside, we had a simple question the other day (NOT from a Newbie) about rubbish which had been asked SO many times. After a dozen or two of these, an innocent question, the answer to which the OP really couldn't find easily, is just the last straw.
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Old 20.02.2011, 19:58
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

The forum is already full of blasting, bitching, moaning, bullying (my own bully and puppy should show up soon) and disrespectful attitude toward others.

We can't expect people to be nice to newbies if those attitudes are tolerated in general on the forum. The rules are clear on that matter but still, too little is made to stop it.


I am waiting for it....
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Old 20.02.2011, 20:13
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Possibly but I'm not you or the OP I can respond how I like.

For example before I joined this forum I spent sometime searching and researching for weeks before I posted my questions (after a introduction) which expected a response and if I screwed up I took the beating and I understood why. I read the FAQ and did as much research as I could.

I was not LAZY and expecting others to wipe my arse for me.

Be thankful you havent crossed swords with Lob or Dave A. My spat was mild.

I don't think many on here are able to question my motives for this considering the help and advice I have given away for nothing over the years, perhaps plenty can come out of the woodwork throw their x2 pennies in to this subject then F off again.

Its the same old names everytime repsonding to these sort of questions, the same people contirbuting time and time again.

I'm wondering if the leech to contribution factor is becoming much larger.

I'd rather keep the contrubutors than the leeches personally, then again I just wonder how long these people can keep proping up the forum, while everyone else suggest "responses in moderation" to the growing problem of leeches.


Is it just me? Or does that seem like a pretty extraordinary response, and totally disproportionate to the issue?

We are talking about etiquette towards new posters on an Internet forum, and you use language like "leeches" and "taking a beating" and having your arse wiped.

Come on fella, chill out a bit. Save this kind of fury for something that really matters.
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Old 20.02.2011, 20:17
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

I, too, used to be nice to Newbies when I only had a post count of 51.
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The forum is already full of blasting, bitching, moaning, bullying (my own bully and puppy should show up soon) and disrespectful attitude toward others.
I've been told it's humour. So LAUGH, NOW!!!!! (*insert Cromwell smiley here*)
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It's an initiation ceremony......... This is a quality forum, made of strong members. We don't just let anyone in you know
Hahaaa ..Fooled you! ....The forum is not of such high quality.. I am in the Forum ..... I got in .....Once upon a time I tried to get in, and got booted from all directions because I also asked stupid questions, but I have a very thick skin, like my brain, and did not take the hint, and just persevered (actually took about a year before I built up enough courage to attempt a re-entry) ... and then finally I discovered that you are all actually just big boobies full of pompous shite anyway, and fit to be ignored.

Unfortunately, most folk are sort-of sensitive .. and being "shouted" at, and abused, for asking stupid questions ... well ... of course they will never return!

Surely, if a person asks what is considered a stupid question, or has not used the search function (that in itself is a doubtful way to find correct threads ... took me a loooong time to master its "language" ... well, if all that annoys a forum veteran ... then why can`t that forum veteran just ignore the new person, and leave other newbies to give assistance?
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Old 20.02.2011, 20:27
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

Easy people, just have a look at stickies, underlying info. Interesting homework indeed. Can we get some love now
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(my own bully and puppy should show up soon)
How would you know they showed up if you have them on your ignore list? Liar liar your Beldona thong's on fire. Why the pretence? You have already repeatedly proved that you keep reading my posts.

Is your bully the Cata1yst person? I doubt he is bullying you but if he is then serves your right because when I joined the forum you had no problem trying to bully me. Must have worked with others but obviously backfired with a stubborn pony like me. Yes I am a pony and not a puppy.
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

Hurrah, it looks like we're on the express train to ClosedThreadsville.
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Old 20.02.2011, 20:48
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Re: A little civility, please! Be welcoming to newcomers...

How did you guess?
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Old 20.02.2011, 20:50
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The reasons why people would want to 'offload' and generally abuse other people who are in the same situation as themselves can be found in numerous psychological and therapeutic papers and books. Again I will not bore forum veterans with any details.
What are you on about? Is everyone on their third glass of wine on this thread?

You all know what to do.
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