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I mean, I get bullied all the time on the EF...but I tend to see the positive sides of the forum...
It's a dog thing. When a new dog comes to the neighborhood, the old dogs try to place themselves over it. But when the new dog tears up the old dog, the old dog learns its place and are more cautious next time.

So, NooBs, when you get barked and growled at, bite them in the nuts!

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I mean, I get bullied all the time on the EF...but I tend to see the positive sides of the forum...
True, but i believe you fall under the following category so its ok to bully you

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A comment from someone new here won't be taken in the same way as the same comment from someone you've had a beer chicken with 8 or 10 times.
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I do agree with you.

I'm a computer programmer and I spend a lot of time on forums for helping/getting help with coding. Programming forums are notorious for snarkiness and impatience. I'm that way myself sometimes! But those forums are MUCH less unpleasant than this one.

Several of my friends agree that this forum does stand out for the nastiness and pettiness of some of the commenters and moderators. Posts get moved by moderators for ridiculous, petty reasons, there is a sort of "in-crowd" made up of people who exclude everyone else by making incomprehensible inside jokes/comments on posts, there is a lot of meanness. It's a shame.

As a result, I have used this forum much less than I had hoped to at first.
As another EF noob, who also uses programming forums, I have to agree with you. The tone is all wrong here, and it's not good for bringing out the useful contributions. Instead of a polite answer (or just no comment), you get "oh, why haven't you searched" along with some smartass comments, and often a list of irrelevant previous threads. Sure, there are helpful people out there, and they've spent their own time improving the forum, but it could be so much better without the dismissive, sarcastic comments.
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As another EF noob, who also uses programming forums, I have to agree with you. The tone is all wrong here, and it's not good for bringing out the useful contributions. Instead of a polite answer (or just no comment), you get "oh, why haven't you searched" along with some smartass comments, and often a list of irrelevant previous threads. Sure, there are helpful people out there, and they've spent their own time improving the forum, but it could be so much better without the dismissive, sarcastic comments.
You're absolutely right. Frankly, there are way too many people who have been here way to long and start to believe this is their own personal stomping ground. It is damn ugly. But despite that, there sure as some damn good tips on taxes, housing and things. So those are still valuable.
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I used to be afraid of login in...but thanks to Porzac I can confidently say, that I can now browse the for sale adds and the off topic threads without any major hassle.
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...and at times I have hoped that non of my Swiss colleagues drop in and see the number of racist comments that crop up from time to time.
Sorry, can't let this one slip by. If you want to see a thread expand rapidly and fill with vapid comments completely unrelated to the topic try mentioning the nationality or race of someone. It sets the Americans on a PC rage, the English a tut-tutting, the French start looking down their noses and the Germans furiously combing their mustaches. And the Italians can't be bothered.
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When one user began to make physical threats by PM, I simply reported the offensive messages and the user was permanently banned.

No fuss, no hysterics, no whining. Just a click, followed by swift, decisive and efficient action.

He still hasn't come to find me at any events, either...
This, Sir, should be adress to the police. But bullying someone doesn't have to be by physical threats by PM.

It can be made on a longer period of time, continuously, over and over again.

How? By being rude, mean, constant harassment, by provocative language, insults and injure in public.

In the goal to humiliate, put down, demoralise, scare, hurt someone. A bully has this incessant need to put someone down to bring up his own importance, to feel bigger.

THIS is also Bullying and this isn't acceptable socialy, it shouldn't be acceptable on an internet forum.
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Re: Why do topics get moderated on the very subject they are trying to address ?

This sort of crap is exactly why I post so little on the forum these days.

Biting the hand that feeds you and all that stuff.

If someone has done their research, read the forum, has come to a dead end and posts eloquently and politely I am more than happy to help.

For us "vets" the same questions come around and around again, and you get quite disenchanted asking the same question multiple times.

If people are capable of moving countries, then they sure as hell should be capable of working out some answers without being spoon fed.

Aside from that, when you move countries part of the experience is the obstacles you face in day to day life.

Sometimes I feel that having this forum available is cheating, as it is a resource with so much information from a wide variety of people. Never used to be this easy.

So yeah, whining people who can't be bothered with manners have, for me, been a deterrent.
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Sorry, can't let this one slip by. If you want to see a thread expand rapidly and fill with vapid comments completely unrelated to the topic try mentioning the nationality or race of someone. It sets the Americans on a PC rage, the English a tut-tutting, the French start looking down their noses and the Germans furiously combing their mustaches. And the Italians can't be bothered.
*Combing fake mustache as we speak *

Racism is one kind of being bullied here , but surely thats not the only one.
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True, but i believe you fall under the following category so its ok to bully you
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A comment from someone new here won't be taken in the same way as the same comment from someone you've had a beer chicken with 8 or 10 times.
If this turns into yet another KFC thread I am closing it. Don't say you weren't warned!
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All I can say is:



...but do embrace bigotry.
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Sometimes I feel that having this forum available is cheating
I feel its a useful resource but would not call it cheating.

Its like wikipedia, don't believe all what is written here..

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If this turns into yet another KFC thread I am closing it. Don't say you weren't warned!
But..but..but.. i haven't had drinks with LIB (yet), i nearly had chicken..twice

So you are Vegetarian?

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If this turns into yet another KFC thread I am closing it. Don't say you weren't warned!
OK OK...Burger King?
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What? I will have you know that I respect and admire every single Indian who frequents this forum. Many of them are damn good IT professionals as well.
Feathers.. not dots

Anyways, I have to agree with one of those comments about what if Swiss see those "anti-Swiss" comments. I forwarded one of the event links to a Swiss colleague and she ventured more into the forum and was completely disgusted by some of the comments and actually confronted me. Al though the comments didn't come from me, I was lumped together with those "wonderful expats", was truly embarrassing.
Similarly not everyone is a bully or has the dry sarcastic sense of humor. It only takes one untoward incident in real life as a consequence of things said in the forum for this forum to be shut down. Many countries now have laws against cyber-bullying.
I do not know what kind of therapist is basel therapist, but if he is the kind of therapist who deals with people in distress he made a very valid point. What may seem like a joke or a stupid comment can push someone over the edge.
On that note, good night.
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OK OK...Burger King?
That's more like it! (...but still ever so slightly Off Topic...)
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I wonder if the oldtimers of the tamilforum.ch or the albanianforum.ch are so unpleasant to newbies?

Oh, I forgot.These forums don't exist. The Tamils and the Albanians who arrive fresh off the plane in Switzerland just have to bloody well get on with it by themselves, or by good old fashioned talking-to-people.

Really, look at yourselves. You get all this information spoon fed to you by a fantastic website with inbuilt search engines and everything, and still you're complaining?

Some of you might want to use that search function to read Longbyt's or Oldhand's stories of how it was to arrive in Switzerland in the days before the internet existed, let alone answer-all-my-lazy-questions-now-or-i'll-sulk.ch
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What steps can the person that is bullied take if it gets out of hand, and how is this followed up?
I think around here, the best outcome is for the NooB to grow a new layer of skin.

The forum is still quite a great place for information, and entertainment. As for entertainment.... well... Bees go to Honey, Flies go to poop.
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I wonder if the oldtimers of the tamilforum.ch or the albanianforum.ch are so unpleasant to newbies?

Oh, I forgot.These forums don't exist. The Tamils and the Albanians who arrive fresh off the plane in Switzerland just have to bloody well get on with it by themselves, or by good old fashioned talking-to-people.

Really, look at yourselves. You get all this information spoon fed to you by a fantastic website with inbuilt search engines and everything, and still you're complaining?

Some of you might want to use that search function to read Longbyt's or Oldhand's stories of how it was to arrive in Switzerland in the days before the internet existed, let alone answer-all-my-lazy-questions-now-or-i'll-sulk.ch
Dougal, really what is your point? No one is arguing with you. No one is saying the opposite of what you are saying. It is like you talk about something else than no one is actually talking right now. We are talking about people here, normal members bullying other people, newbies or not. And the fact that too little is done now to stop this. No one is putting the fault on the mods, not even close...
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I tampered with that a little.

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Feathers.. not dots

Anyways, I have to agree with one of those comments about what if Swiss see those "anti-Swiss" comments. I forwarded one of the event links to a Swiss colleague and she ventured more into the forum and was completely disgusted by some of the comments and actually confronted me. Al though the comments didn't come from me, I was lumped together with those "wonderful expats", was truly embarrassing.
Similarly not everyone is a bully or has the dry sarcastic sense of humor. It only takes one untoward incident in real life as a consequence of things said in the forum for this forum to be shut down. Many countries now have laws against cyber-bullying.
I do not know what kind of therapist is basel therapist, but if he is the kind of therapist who deals with people in distress he made a very valid point. What may seem like a joke or a stupid comment can push someone over the edge.
On that note, good night.

To be honest with you, this forum embarrasses the hell out of me because of these things. In real life, I disavow any association or knowledge of this forum.
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