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Dougal, really what is your point? No one is arguing with you. No one is saying the opposite of what you are saying. It is like you talk about something else than no one is actually talking right now. We are talking about people here, normal members bullying other people, newbies or not. And the fact that too little is done now to stop this. No one is putting the fault on the mods, not even close...
Sorry, Nil, but I haven't a clue what you're on about.
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Bees go to Honey, Flies go to poop.
But bullybears like honey too so it will clash with the new bees in the hive.



I agree on your comment, some should grow a thick skin but as pointed out in my first post on this thread, you will have bullies everywhere.

If a newbie can't handle it here, no way they are going to make it out there in the new country they have just walked into.
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This is slightly OT...but why DO the Swiss pronounce Homer (who mer)? Anybody knows?
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If a newbie can't handle it here, no way they are going to make it out there in the new country they have just walked into.
Right. And if one happens to be an asshole, or impresses themselves by acting like one, I suppose they can go out of their way to make it even tougher for a newbie.
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To be honest with you, this forum embarrasses the hell out of me because of these things. In real life, I disavow any association or knowledge of this forum.
I do exactly the opposite. All my colleagues know that I'm a member of a forum for foreigners where there is quite a lot of venting of steam, living in a foreign country being such a difficult experience at times. Most of them, having spent time abroad on "language tours", understand completely and find it rather amusing.

The conversation usually progresses onto the subject of bad English food, geographically ignorant Americans or drunken Australians and nothing more is said on the subject.

Most people who have lived abroad for any length of time understand the necessity of moaning about the natives from time to time.

Nothing to be embarrassed about there.
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This is what happen when both side keep talking and don't listen at each others...

I am telling you that the OP doesn't put the fault on the mods or who ever is in charge of the forum (actually I put a lot on the EB for his lack of interest of the way the forum goes, but let's keep this for an other topic).

It is about pure and real bullying here. On the newbies and the no so newbies, etc. You gave an exemple, which I gave you too, go read back.

Moderators have having the hands full right now and with probably too little intructions.

Now why this is happening ang why is it allowed? What is the main purpose of this forum now, what is the direction it wants to take? If people (so many, obviously) are concerned about the way bullying is tolerated, it is probably because it is enough often and regular to bring some concerns.
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Right. And if one happens to be an asshole, or impresses themselves by acting like one, I suppose they can go out of their way to make it even tougher for a newbie.
Sure i was screamed at on 2 occasions by one foreign person and one Swiss person who i don't know.. there was no reason for them todo so..

Did that stop me from taking the train or walking in the village? nope..

Same for a newbie, bite back with a sense of humor,don't let people walk over you and all is good.

Or go and sit in the corner, sobbing away and write " dear diary,i hate ef.. "

Again,this is on newbies, there is also the fact that other members here for a long time,get bullied by fellow Ef'ers.

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Why do you keep talking about moderators, Nil?
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Re: Why do topics get moderated on the very subject they are trying to address ?

May I join in the party too?

I am wondering why is it that if someone attacks me and I give it back to them then I get accused of being a bully? Is it because I am not female or is it because I did not kick up a fuss when I was getting called names or getting tasty red Turkish delight sweets? I just dealt with it quietly in my own special way and my special way had the desired outcome as all involved parties know

So mods my operation "payback is a puppy" is finished as far as I am concerned unless someone special lays into me again.

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But lets be honest, no one would walk into a room full of strangers, walk up to the first group chatting and without introduction demand an answer to a question that has been discussed ad nauseum by the group previously, listen to the answer, then without thank you or adieu leave! But this is what happens over and over again on the forum.
Guess what there are no real rooms online to walk into Welcome to the internet. Value judgements aside there is a big difference between real world and online world despite what people might say. Some want online life to be same as offline life, this is perfectly their choice but others think differently. Both points of view are equally valid. People should be allowed to open up as much or as little as they want. Then there are people who's real life is online only and such people are beyond help. I get the impression there are quiet few of those here

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But bullybears like honey too so it will clash with the new bees in the hive.



I agree on your comment, some should grow a thick skin but as pointed out in my first post on this thread, you will have bullies everywhere.

If a newbie can't handle it here, no way they are going to make it out there in the new country they have just walked into.
Really? So an ass should act like an ass because it is actually to other to grow a thicker skin and they should be those who should learn to handle him to survive in the big dark world?

Much simple: Stop the ass being an ass and the big dark world may be a bit tint of pink, sounds cuter and less annoying. Especially when only a few jerks are around compared to the amount a great people in here. But 1 jerk can spoiled the fun of many many nice people. So let's the nice people stay nice and enjoy the place, and lets gets rid of the single or very few jerks who makes it difficult to be around here.

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Right. And if one happens to be an asshole, or impresses themselves by acting like one, I suppose they can go out of their way to make it even tougher for a newbie.
Et Voilą!
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I do exactly the opposite. All my colleagues know that I'm a member of a forum for foreigners where there is quite a lot of venting of steam, living in a foreign country being such a difficult experience at times. Most of them, having spent time abroad on "language tours", understand completely and find it rather amusing.

The conversation usually progresses onto the subject of bad English food, geographically ignorant Americans or drunken Australians and nothing more is said on the subject.

Most people who have lived abroad for any length of time understand the necessity of moaning about the natives from time to time.

Nothing to be embarrassed about there.


It's not exactly the moaning about the natives that is embarrassing about this forum. More about the mentality that sparked this and the other thread.
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I don't know... It is 1 am....
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Really? So an ass should act like an ass because it is actually to other to grow a thicker skin and they should be those who should learn to handle him to survive in the big dark world?

Much simple: Stop the ass being an ass and the big dark world may be a bit tint of pink, sounds cuter and less annoying. Especially when only a few jerks are around compared to the amount a great people in here. But 1 jerk can spoiled the fun of many many nice people. So let's the nice people stay nice and enjoy the place, and lets gets rid of the single or very few jerks who makes it difficult to be around here.

Et Voilą!
No you got me wrong, you will have rotten apples anywhere,also on forums.

Just speaking from newbies point out, get on with it and don't let it hold you back.

If an a-hole attacks, bite back but don't stoop to their level..

Its like a troll,the more you feed them,the more they will be bullied by the a holes..
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Yawn... The 24-hour online EF is currently out of order please leave your message and I will get back to you as soon as can (I wake up)
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Here we go again. A metathread about bullying and stuff. I really don't care much. If somebody is being racist on the forum just speak up. I am swiss and find the complaints section amusing because most of it it's exactly what I experience with swiss people. If I have a problem with that I will write or shut up. Not being a native english speaker helps because you think twice before posting anything. It's the Internet, it's here for a few years now. People maybe should know by now how you can use it. The lack of being able to research easy things it's incredible.

You will only have problems with bullying on the internet if you are not aware of what you are and how you feel. Then it is maybe better to turn off your PC and go out to meet real people.
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No you got me wrong, you will have rotten apples anywhere,also on forums.

Just speaking from newbies point out, get on with it and don't let it hold you back.

If an a-hole attacks, bite back but don't stoop to their level..
Sometimes, you have to remain quiet to make the asshole reveal himself!
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Great words ! Will do so on thursday.. please don't bully me Lib
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I can't believe you actually think that because some 'noob' has a complaint or issue, you think they can't survive in the real world!

I have been around this planet working in some places you would be mortified with for 23 years and you have the audacity to imply that people like me who have a concern should grow a new skin, learn to deal with it or go elsewhere !

Some of you have NO idea about life. Just stop the smarmy, pointless, rude and unsympathetic comments please.

Another post tonight from a lady who had relationship issues. Who said in a nutshell that she was looking for some advice, support or understanding backed off after she was told basically "go find a divorce lawyer". You think that's funny? Or smart? Point proven yet again I think!
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i just don't argue with a******s, but give them a smile.
easy as that.
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