It still doesn't justify the crudeness in the way it is done sometimes, at least from a point of decency or taste. But then again, some relish in the opportunity to crap on someone else.
And those are often the ones who complain about the rude sell clerks in Switzerland...
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Re: Why do topics get moderated on the very subject they are trying to address ?
Permit me to make one last post on this subject.
This stream of threads (bullying) was caused due to me posting various comments to what many consider a "newbie" to the forum.
Yes this person had not posted before but there has to be a seperation between what I see as the downright bone idle vs those that try to make the effort to ask questions that show they have done basic research, that attempt to provide the facts required to answer the question and those that do not.
My "vitrol" was nothing to do with the status of the person posting on this forum.
It has everything to do with those that expect answers on a silver platter. I have no time for people that do not provide their time, then again I provide my responses without prejudice.
I will always back ANY individual that makes the effort and tries to give a considered posting.
I have done in the past, recently and I will do again. Regardless if the annoyance is a Vet or Mod. I don't believe in "bullying" for the sake of it I believe in upholding principles of politeness. Which were sorely lacking from this particular poster.
The snipe I agree was OTT I'm not saying what I posted was a positive light on the face of EF or the way things should be handled. I'm not saying that I should not have posted it. I'm not saying that I shouldn't have ignored it. At the time I possibly had a "cob" on and that was the result.
My point was to highlight the number of bone idle we've seen post crap like this on a daily basis who expect something for nothing with giving little or nothing in return.
This poster and you can look for yourself is back with more questions, so in my mind is obviously a "leech".
Leech = Someone who takes from this forum with little or no contribution.
Yes they may require help but if you do there's a bare minimum of please and thank you to uphold the respect of many.
This additionally to me goes against the principles on which this forum built of old and new alike of sharing, giving and contributing to make EF the place it is.
It will always happen but don't expect me to hold my tongue of every occasion I'm just not that person for which I apologise.
In real life people rarely agree on everything and the world would be a much blander place if we did. Celebrate the differences, argue your point have some fun doing so, but try never lose respect for the person behind the viewpoint.
I for one have been guilty of this in a couple of posts recently, but I know I'm not a perfect being but I learn from my mistakes..
What is good is I've seen people make a real effort to address some of these annoyances in the form of stickys, and I've seen some faces post on this thread I never thought I would with very considered opinions.
I'm glad it's bought a discussion on the subject and the light can be seen at the end of the tunnel.
So even though it started in the merge of x3 angry posts, I for one believe it has had a very positive outcome.
I wish you all a great day.
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Re: Why do topics get moderated on the very subject they are trying to address ?
Phos, is it me or do you only post when there's some level of discontent? You seem to be EFs fight promoter, just turning up to whine about how mean everyone is.
It still doesn't justify the crudeness in the way it is done sometimes, at least from a point of decency or taste. But then again, some relish in the opportunity to crap on someone else.
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Phos, is it me or do you only post when there's some level of discontent? You seem to be EFs fight promoter, just turning up to whine about how mean everyone is.
Not really. I'm also into home renovation projects. But what fight? There really isn't much of one.
Not really. I'm also into home renovation projects. But what fight? There really isn't much of one.
I know and I can just feel your frustration with that. You want a revolution, don't you? You want all the top dogs out, everyone's rep set back to zero, you want to be in Fight Club.
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I know and I can just feel your frustration with that. You want a revolution, don't you? You want all the top dogs out, everyone's rep set back to zero, you want to be in Fight Club.
No, not at all. I care little, actually. But I did see a wrong. There was a call from users for more decency, which struck me as absolutely correct. Yet, there was a lean to marginalize them, so I decided to back them. It was for a good cause.
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I know and I can just feel your frustration with that. You want a revolution, don't you? You want all the top dogs out, everyone's rep set back to zero, you want to be in Fight Club.
No, not at all. I care little, actually. But I did see a wrong. There was a call from users for more decency, which struck me as absolutely correct. Yet, there was a lean to marginalize them, so I decided to back them. It was for a good cause.
......come on now.
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Phos, is it me or do you only post when there's some level of discontent? You seem to be EFs fight promoter, just turning up to whine about how mean everyone is.
No, not at all. I care little, actually. But I did see a wrong. There was a call from users for more decency, which struck me as absolutely correct. Yet, there was a lean to marginalize them, so I decided to back them. It was for a good cause.
Fair point.
The beauty of our post history is that its out there for everyone to see. Just as many people are calling for more decency, there are just as many forum veterans who are a gold mine of information, have quietly disappeared because they are simply tired of:
1. newbies who take take take take take; or
2. people who treat this like their personal internet chatroom during office hours with useless drivel.
Maybe everyone should have a look at their own post history and do a quick scan of how many posts they've actually made which are genuinely helpful versus posts you think are simply funny/witty without much content, then come back and cast the first stone. Veterans or newbies alike, I believe that everyone is able to provide bits of useful information some way or another. My last thoughts on the matter. See everyone in 6 months!
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..My last thoughts on the matter. See everyone in 6 months!
Argh, no, don't flounce, summerrain, cmon. Not you! Uhm....Pianos? Let's talk muzzak, uhm...sumfin else, dogs, food...cmon
Everyone who's here for eons trolls a tad, every now and then, I think it gets repetitive to give same ol' answers. I do agree, we get bloodthirsty at times, I don't like it either. Or shooting jealously at high earners, as if it was a crime to work hard and make cash, irritating. I make a fraction of that but never felt offended by genuinely meant questions. Most people can take some rubbing, see through it and do value the good info bits, see the rest as harmless play with words. I am not sure why it gets so serious here sometimes, I guess cabin fever, or the nature of life in CH, regular folks outside of inet life do get fiesty at times, too. I wish the talks were a little more intricate, but the images make me laugh, too. Knowing people here off line is a gaint plus. People should do that more.
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The beauty of our post history is that its out there for everyone to see. Just as many people are calling for more decency, there are just as many forum veterans who are a gold mine of information, have quietly disappeared because they are simply tired of:
1. newbies who take take take take take; or
2. people who treat this like their personal internet chatroom during office hours with useless drivel.
2. This is becoming an annoyance as well as my points made earlier there used to be a policy to delete such crap immediately.
Obviously things have changed as EF grown however if this policy is carried out routinely it can only discourage the constant posters of crap (as within this thread) and make them think if it is really worth hitting the submit key in the knowlege the post will disappear.
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Re: Why do topics get moderated on the very subject they are trying to address ?
Make it so that new members are redirected to englishforumLT.ch, where they can't post until a cookie has registered that they have clicked all the stickies, and they have to make 20 posts in kindergarten before they are directed to the EF for big boys and girls. Make a sticky in the EF For Big People that if they complain about all the meanies they are immediately banned.
"But that's not fai-"
banned
As a little 4 year I know would say, "That's a good 'dea!"
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2. This is becoming an annoyance as well as my points made earlier there used to be a policy to delete such crap immediately.
Obviously things have changed as EF grown however if this policy is carried out routinely it can only discourage the constant posters of crap (as within this thread) and make them think if it is really worth hitting the submit key in the knowlege the post will disappear.
Make it so that new members are redirected to englishforumLT.ch, where they can't post until a cookie has registered that they have clicked all the stickies, and they have to make 20 posts in kindergarten before they are directed to the EF for big boys and girls. Make a sticky in the EF For Big People that if they complain about all the meanies they are immediately banned.
"But that's not fai-"
banned
As a little 4 year I know would say, "That's a good 'dea!"
Great to bounce around ideas for dealing with it. That is a much more positive exercise than airing out your frustration through childish behavior on the threads.
Great to bounce around ideas for dealing with it. That is a much more positive exercise than airing out your frustration through childish behavior on the threads.
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