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Signal to Noise ratio

can someone explain signal to noise ratio when a post is in off-topic?

I mean it really can't be about Switzerland in off topic can it ?

yes this is a serious, and by mean reasoning at least , valid question.
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Re: Signal to Noise ratio

What do you think it means?
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Re: Signal to Noise ratio

can I have some time to think about that one?
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Re: Signal to Noise ratio

*Google-ing* - found this :


Signal to Noise Ratio but thats not what you are looking for is it?

I'm left wondering too
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Re: Signal to Noise ratio

Nothing to contribute to this thread, but I thought I would post anyway for a laugh. Hopefully if enough people join in, you'll have 5 pages of noise and no answer to your predicament.
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Signal to Noise Ratio but thats not what you are looking for is it?

I'm left wondering too
Substitute:
Signal for advise
Noise for useless posts/Off topic comments

and I guess you'll be closser...
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Old 28.02.2011, 15:46
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Re: Signal to Noise ratio

Off Topic over the last year or two has become far more prevalent on the Forum than it used to be and certainly ever intended to be. "Useless drivel" is acceptable in small quantities, but when it becomes the vessel and ocean rather than the cheeky cabin boy it can be very tiring.

We seek to be a primary source of information for English speakers here and we are proud to be such a source. When the guff expands so much people actively turn away and criticise the Forum, we know things are going wrong.

Members are reminded there's a chat facility. Should there be a burning Off Topic theme, do remember it gets deleted after six months. Ask if it's worthy of eventual deletion, perhaps, and if so is it worth posting at all? Commentary is welcome if it's relevent, but "Lol me too! " posts...

This theme comes around fairly regularly and each time the noise is greater. I for one would be delighted to hear a little more signal.
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Members are reminded there's a chat facility. Should there be a burning Off Topic theme, do remember it gets deleted after six months. Ask if it's worthy of eventual deletion, perhaps, and if so is it worth posting at all? Commentary is welcome if it's relevent, but "Lol me too! " posts...
I guess you'd have to use the same reflexion to see if it's worth "modding" at all, too....
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Re: Signal to Noise ratio

now there is a proper answer to my question.

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Signal for advise
Noise for useless posts/Off topic comments

and I guess you'll be closser...
Fancy , coming from you
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now there is a proper answer to my question.

thank you.
Further reading as follows:

Guidelines for Off-Topic Posts / The Search for Lost Threads

Guidelines for posting off-topic messages

EF ain't what it used to be.

Large number of noise threads in EF

Too much noise on the EF

Moderation here

Some guidance on recent posts

The "helpfulness" of this forum
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Re: Signal to Noise ratio

Might I make a suggestion then? If the Off-Topic section is detracting from the forum purpose, why not remove it completely? Therefore the Mods wouldn't suffer the inner turmoil of the close/not close decision. Personally, I see it as a bit of fun and the opportunity for a giggle now and again, and is mostly harmless.
The alternative is to have Off-Topic posts not appearing in the "New posts" tab (I believe this used to be the case, before the "changes"), if you think it is putting people off too much.
Is there any evidence of people "actively turning away", or openly criticising it (apart from a single blog)? As far as I can see there are more EFers now than ever, with more joining all the time. It's all part of the attraction, it's informative AND fun, which the ideal mix for a successful Interweb forum, isn't it?
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Old 28.02.2011, 16:10
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Might I make a suggestion then? If the Off-Topic section is detracting from the forum purpose, why not remove it completely?
I don't think the title of the area makes any difference at all, judging by the amount of Off Topic threads made everywhere else. If only it were so easy.

Nobody's complaining about the informative stuff, but 'fun' is open to interpretation.

Ps, do read the links posted above. We've covered a lot of this terrain before.
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.............. but 'fun' is open to interpretation.
but the interpretation, by nature of the beast ( the forum itself ) belongs to you and a half dozen* or so of your .... errrrr.... blessed souls.


* how many ?
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, but 'fun' is open to interpretation.
What is not fun to one can be funny to another..its hard to post something we all like.

I hope no one is planning to suck all the "fun " out of the forum as the same posters who are up for some "fun " and banter, also contribute to the forum with serious answers and questions.
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but the interpretation, by nature of the beast ( the forum itself ) belongs to you and a half dozen* or so of your .... errrrr.... blessed souls.


* how many ?
The blessed souls have been asked to do so and are supported by the administrator. I again refer you to the previous post with the links which ploughed this field before. There you may find your answers.
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Nobody's complaining about the informative stuff, but 'fun' is open to interpretation.
I didn't really want to get dragged into this one... Really I didn't, but since I mostly KNOW (thanks to comments like the one from Joey82) that this involves me , here Igo:


Fun and noise are both open to interpretation. If a question is answered, I don't see the problem in the noise added to it.

Given the amount of Reps/ Thanks that people get from witty retorts/comments/videos, it seems pretty clear to me that they are doing something Right with the Audience. Dare I say that this retorts keep some of the more experienced and knowladgable posters on this forum, that otherwise would find it a bore to comment/answer on X question for the gazillion time? (Me not being one of those posters).

Or that people go to social events to meet some of the "famous EF posters. (DB, LiB, etc.. although why anyone would want to meet LiB Eludes me)


Now, In some of the threads driven off topic , I fail to see a clear warning (you know, bold, red letters, please keep it on topic). Maybe it's just me, But I think You'd see that it would be helpful, Heck, I've seen mods scan threads.

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Before posting I'd like people to consider whether they would say the same thing if they were in a room full of people, i.e. face to face.
To be honest, if it weren't for the lack of "speaking" ability that I have, 85%-90% of those things would be said.

If Off topic is deleted after 6 months, Then I don't see the case complaining about having to mod it that heavily. One person's noise is another man's treasure... Maybe some poor sod makes his life more bearable by reading/posting stupid remarks on this forum.. who knows.

I've seen lately that you have increased the complain about moderating stuff. I've always tried to give you a remark by answering the PM that i get to tell you that you, while I might not be in tune with the deleting/editing, i think it's cool that you do it.

But seriously, If you are that fed up then just don't do it. I'm guessing no one has you by the balls forcing you to do it. If you do it for another reason that is entirely yours, think how it micht deprecate it that you do it and complain about doing it most of the time.

And please, don't "appeal to consequences", or " why don't you do it?" retorts. I don't want to, I don't have to, and you don't either.


I think that's about it.
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Moderating is not the problem; you're misdiagnosing the complaint. Again, I refer you to the above post.
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The blessed souls have been asked to do so and are supported by the administrator. I again refer you to the previous post with the links which ploughed this field before. There you may find your answers.
Those who do Fluffeh and noise here are around for the fun. But while being around, we are also looking into other threads and contribute to it with informations, tips and helps. If you don't see it, maybe it is because you spend too much time bitching on the noise and not enough time looking at what contribution we are bringing.

And stop insulting me by telling me that I am not contributing. Because if you can't see it, you are blind. Or you are just looking for things to bitch around.
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Those who do Fluffeh and noise here are around for the fun. But while being around, we are also looking into other threads and contribute to it with informations, tips and helps. If you don't see it, maybe it is because you spend too much time bitching on the noise and not enough time looking at what contribution we are bringing.

And stop insulting me by telling me that I am not contributing. Because if you can't see it, you are blind. Or you are just looking for things to bitch around.
Spoiling much, Nil?

You miss the point of my response you so unsubtly raised earlier, as predicted.
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