Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Am I going to get the bill via Post?

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

No, because I can feel your sarcasm. It is not true and you have said it because deep down you are truly scared. Come the day of the revolution (or court case - whichever is sooner) your name will still be on the list.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

I'm not going to read a book by some crazy Greek.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

No, the rest do not lose out because of a few unhappy people. They would lose out for failing to uphold a better standard.



Poor victims, eh?


By the way, this is the responsibility of mods, to make sure that the content on the site is within legal standards.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Intention or not, it certainly gave us yet another mess of a thread.

However, in answer to your question, it would seem that if any action was taken it would be taken against the individual, and the not the forum as a whole. Also as far as I'm aware nobody here has made remarks against the Swiss quite of the gravity of those examples quoted by Kittster.

I can fully understand why some of our Swiss members have taken issue with some of the comments made here lately. Quite frankly if the boot was on the other foot I'd probably be at bit peed off at the moment.

The fact of the matter is that those people who hate Switzerland and/or hate the Swiss will eventually find a way to leave, and those that like Switzerland and the Swiss will work at being able to stay. There will always be people that either through choice, or necessity end up in Switzerland, and then find that the culture is not to their taste at all. These people will inevitably vent off at some stage or another. However from what I've seen these people may be the most vocal, but they are in the minority of the expats that I know.

That said, I've got say that I'm getting a little tired of the general people bashing going on here at the moment.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

You sound just like our teachers back in the 70s who used that excuse to punish the entire class for the transgressions of the few.

Collective punishment sucks. I'd be thoroughly disappointed to see it applied to the English Forum.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

was there a big "do" lastnight where everyone got pissed, got on the internet and typed bollocks, or was it all some weird joke i don't get?

Assuming its serious for a minute, I guess some people don't understand the concept of free speech. just what do you think the 'authorities' can possibly do? iirc EF is now based in germany, no one (That I have read) has ever posted anything like "I hate switzerland, lets bomb it" so no incitement, and on top of that most people are anonymous and not swiss citizens, so please explain what you expect the authorities to do??

Unless you really want an internet like China?

If it was all a joke, then I still don't get it.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Until now :eek:

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

That's a fair answer, and I can see how you'd think I was trying to start a fresh fight.

Still, I would be genuinely interested in hearing from those who made the legal threats as to what they hope to achieve by their actions. Do they want to see individual members get into trouble with the law? Do they want to see the English Forum shut down?

Surely their answers are of interest to all of us?

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Well, if it is particular users or posts.... its easy enough to deal with it. You delete the post, and the user if necessary.

If it is more of a systematic allowance of such posts, then it comes across as sacntioned by the management of the site. In which case, you modify the management of the site, or deal with the site

I've seen way too much go by without a word or action from mods. I think mods could use a new approach towards racial sensitivity. Some training needed perhaps?

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Such things give one an opportunity to deal with it, so it can't be all that bad.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Bit of a baptism of fire for poor old Eco eh as a new mod. I reckon he is the new 22 Yards - there will be effigies being burnt of him as we speak :rolleyes:

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Wow! I’ve been gone a few days and now this. Ugly!

The threats of legal action are an unnecessary and unhelpful escalation. What follows is a little insight into the Swiss Criminal Code and court practice, beginning with the relevant law (in English! of course):

The parts I’ve highlighted are the ones that could possibly be relevant.

Hate, according to the Bundesgericht, is much more than antipathy, aversion, animosity and dislike and also more than anger and fury. It is a fundamentally hostile attitude. I haven’t read through all the comments but it would take quite a lot for this definition to be fulfilled. Simply bitching about the Swiss and saying negative things about them is not enough to meet the standards of Art. 261bis of the Swiss Criminal Code.

Violation of human dignity
This would be the case when the comments deny Swiss people their fundamental human rights, i.e., treat them as if they are less than human and undeserving of respect and dignity. For example, a newspaper article described all people who seek asylum as freeloaders who are unwilling and uninterested in working. This was not considered a violation. The Swiss courts differentiate between slander and racism and also between racism and the freedom of speech.

Again, it takes a lot more than bad-mouthing the Swiss to fall under Art. 261bis. Certainly not everyone does it on the forum and it is not forum policy to encourage this. Could some of the comments be considered slanderous? Perhaps. That doesn’t make them racist or discriminatory in the sense of Art. 261bis. And it certainly doesn’t make the English Forum guilty of inciting or disseminating racist and discriminatory ideologies.

Throwing around threats is certainly a great way to try to intimidate people, especially foreigners who may not know the ins and outs of the legal system in the country that they are living in. I understand that it is not nice to hear people rag on your country or culture: I am American after all. American bashing in general seems to be very acceptable but despite all the horrible things I have read and heard said about Americans, it would not cross my mind to try and drag someone or a whole forum in front of the court because my (American) sensibilities have been hurt. Discuss: yes. Confront and explain why the opinion that was expressed is invalid, hurtful etc: absolutely. Threaten legal action: bullying is ugly.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Seems like it was'nt really good. Try it with someone else :msnnerd:

No it does not, it just means you want to live here for the higher standard of living and the peace and tranquility life here offers, but you are still biased against the Swiss people. Bacially reaping the good harvest of what the Swiss people sowed and tended to over the centuries.

You probably wish if somehow the local Swiss would disappaer and you can invite over your fellow Brits and enjoy a jolly good banter at the local British pub.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

It's been a long time witout French bashing. People don't want to play anymore?
Btw, was American bashing a one off just as an experiment or did I miss the other rounds?
In a spirit of unity and integration, we can always start a Swiss-EF German bashing campaign. That's the "one size fits all" of bashing.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

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Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

So if you say something positive, it's sarcasm. If you say something intended to be ironic, it's being negative. You can't win.

Total nonsense. Where you get the idea that I'm biased against anyone is beyond me. I'm not into pub culture, and spend little time with British expats. As to the suggestion that I'm biased against the Swiss - I don't know whether to :msnmad: or :rofl:

I think you must be reflecting your own attitudes onto me. :rolleyes:

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

Poor victims again? :rolleyes:

Favorable interpretaion, but some members and a real judge may not agree with you.

Truth be told, there are many who love the ugly of the site, and seem to exist as members solely for that purpose. The litmus test is whether there would be any change in direction after admonishment. Admonishment is not bullying, it is correction.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

go to google.com

enter "french military victories"

click on I'm feeling lucky.

Its old, you've probably seen it before, but at least it's French bashing, so credit where credit is due.

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 

What? French bashing has been outsourced?
Good old times are gone.