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Kittster 18.03.2011 16:21

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
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Originally Posted by daboy (Post 1140402)
What do you mean by that? You didn't vote on the issue? If so, wouldn't that make you an ironic representative of anti swiss rhetoric? If you meant that you voted against the measure then good for you, even though existing zoning laws give enough discretion for the government to systematically shoot down any new proposed minarets anyway (making the referendum pointless, damaging, and unnecessarily embarrassing for the Swiss).

The point is that, while I did make a statement that was ill-placed regarding a personal experience with Muslim like economisto mentioned, it does not mean I will wear the hat of the resident anti-islamist.

As for the private discussion, I tried to do that in the past but the only way economisto would arrive at anything nearing a compromise was for me to change the angle of the discussion. He is simply not suited to the job like others are.

18.03.2011 16:22

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
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Originally Posted by MathNut (Post 1140413)
Well, can't help you there - but it is joking. I'd have put money (would still put money) that every single one of the remarks CHexo quoted was intended to raise a smile, not to be taken completely seriously. I should know because I'm married to someone whose sense of humor is quite similar and who frequently indulges in similar jokes. Repetition proves nothing either. I have been called a 'half-savage colonial' (almost) more times than I can count - solemnly, without so much as a twinkle in the eye, but as a joke nonetheless. (Of course I wouldn't expect an acknowledgment of that, ever, as it would give away the joke. It's true all the same.)

Perhaps you don't find them at all funny (note that I'm NOT saying you don't have a sense of humor - I know better! - just that yours is different) and that's fair enough - not every joke reaches every audience - but to claim that because something isn't funny to you it CANNOT BE A JOKE is a bit... hasty, isn't it?

All too true. However (while admitting nothing), if opinion based commentary is never truly objective or neutral, it must be either positive or negative. Arriving at a negative conclusion after analysis is a basic freedom. Not that that's (necessarily) what I've done or anything...

Guest 18.03.2011 16:23

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
Ah well, that should help. Sorted:D

cmirsky 18.03.2011 16:24

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
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Originally Posted by mimi1981 (Post 1140378)
Hey Kittster,

I like your posts and understand you are answering a question that DB has posted but I do wonder if personal issues with mods or other members should be posted publicly. I feel this would be better handled offline and maybe addressed to another mod and EditorBob if you want to take this further. None of us are in posession of all the facts except those involved directly and I think having it open on EF as a thread is just asking for bad feelings to generate.

I also think Economisto should not be posting personally about you or any other member. Naming names and public arguments are going to quickly get out of hand. Mods, don't you think it is time to stop this now, close this thread and monitor for anymore that appear?

Who knows, maybe i'm wrong :confused:

Agreed Adrian. It think this thread has served its purpose.... (and then some)...

Traubert 18.03.2011 16:25

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1140426)
All too true. However (while admitting nothing), if opinion based commentary is never truly objective or neutral, it must be either positive or negative. Arriving at a negative conclusion after analysis is a basic freedom. Not that that's (necessarily) what I've done or anything...

Jedi Mind Trick

bigblue2 18.03.2011 16:25

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
As a brit I feel I must apologise for anything posted on this forum in english that may have offended anyone whose primary language isn't english.

If your primary language is english and you're offended then tough titties.

Now can everyone get along and play nicely.

Guest 18.03.2011 16:26

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
And as for Kittster and Economisto. Perhaps you both have more in common than you might think. Go on a date. Perhaps you were made for each other.

bigblue2 18.03.2011 16:27

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1140435)
And as for Kittster and Economisto. Perhaps you both have more in common than you might think. Go on a date. Perhaps you were made for each other.


or goto the next rappi meet and we can all watch the fireworks

Nil 18.03.2011 16:27

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1140419)
I am truly sorry if I offended Kittster or anyone else. That was not my intention. I apologise. Offence is never good. However acerbic cultural commentary of a very similar level to anything I write happens in all public media both in Switzerland and around the world. It too offends many people. One can only look at the perfectly legal SVP posters to know how far one may go in this fine and liberal country without being in breach of the law.

In summary I would like to say three things:

1. I never meant to cause offence.
2. It will happen again.
3. If you're looking to go through the courts, all I can say is bring it.

If this is acceptable in this country, bad jokes even about the swiss shouldn't be a problem...

Kittster 18.03.2011 16:30

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
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Originally Posted by MathNut (Post 1140413)
Repetition proves nothing either. I have been called a 'half-savage colonial' (almost) more times than I can count - solemnly, without so much as a twinkle in the eye, but as a joke nonetheless. (Of course I wouldn't expect an acknowledgment of that, ever, as it would give away the joke. It's true all the same.)

Yes, but you know the person and what they are truly like. Like I said, I'm one of those slightly autistic people who doesn't always get the irony/sarcasm and often chooses not to interact socially because of it as Brits have absolutely no understanding for a person who cannot grasp why you would make the same sort of point dozens of times when you are, in fact, only joking.

Irony and sarcasm do not work well online. Fact. And to hide behind a sense of superiority towards those people who do NOT instantly assume EVERYTHING is irony, well... if it makes you feel good, I can't stop you.

MathNut 18.03.2011 16:33

Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"
 
Right - DB has had the explanations he was looking for, economisto has offered his own. I think this would be an excellent time to put the thread to bed, what does anybody else think? :)

If anything has anything desperately important to add, PM me. Otherwise - I don't know - go out and watch the sunset or something. (Oh wait, that's only in Glarus. Right, the rest of you: out and frolic about for three more hours and then watch the sunset...)


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