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A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"

What do you want, exactly?
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Old 18.03.2011, 09:20
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Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"

scare us? boooooo
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Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"

Eh?

Wassup DB?
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Eh?

Wassup DB?
This and this.

I'm just curious to find out what, exactly, these people hope to achieve.
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Old 18.03.2011, 10:06
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Well, I don't think there is a hope to achieve anything. Did you drink a cup of tea today? Well, calling the police is the Rosti-belt equivalent of an Englishman having a cuppa.
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Old 18.03.2011, 10:07
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This and this.

I'm just curious to find out what, exactly, these people hope to achieve.
Oh, right.

I guess it is grown-ups dobbing.

Aside from Kittster. She is cool. She can do what she likes.
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Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"

Nine Accross, three letters.

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Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"

I also don't understand the Swiss' obsession with authorities. It's like in kindergarten when you'd run to your mommies to tell on someone "Herr polizei, herr polizei, the EF said this to me today, do something...."
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Old 18.03.2011, 11:04
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I also don't understand the Swiss' obsession with authorities. It's like in kindergarten when you'd run to your mommies to tell on someone "Herr polizei, herr polizei, the EF said this to me today, do something...."
Then you don't understand Switzerland and its inhabitants.

It is a very independent democracy based on respect for and compliance with authority. There is no king, the President is a ceremonial position. Without this respect for authority, the Swiss consensus could easily dissolve into anarchy. The authority manifests itself in the public domain as "the police".

I use inverted commas as this is not totally what the British, at least, understand by the police. Here for example there the 'foreign police' are the authority controlling the admission of foreigner into the country for example. We would be unlikely to use the word 'police' for this organisation...
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I just want someone to care.

But DB, I take it that when you are wanting to report something to "the authorities" you tell your wife, as she is clearly the one wearing the pants in your virtual life .
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Old 18.03.2011, 10:25
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If I had a choice I would love to read more of the interesting threads that explain, discuss, define, exhibit & inform readers on EF about Switzerland, it's people/residents, the way it is & how things are done.

It would be nice that EF was just a catalyst for these discussions rather than being the subject of them that it has so much recently.

The bigger question in my view if there are some who will rock the boat is simple: is there anyone really who will benefit from it? Even those who have made these threats to report it?
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By the way, this is the responsibility of mods, to make sure that the content on the site is within legal standards.
The owners of a site could potentially be held responsible. Reminds me of Gina ford vs mumsnet, they wanted to defend the freedom of speech of their members but ended up settling out of court with ford. (British law not Swiss of course)
http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfre...e&type=article
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Old 18.03.2011, 13:45
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You can , what happened to your sense of humour? Been in Switzerland for too long?

I was just illustrating (re: carrying weight) that you wanting to live in Switzerland does NOT necessarily means you like Swiss people.
Darn!

OK, I got it wrong. I'm sorry.
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Old 18.03.2011, 15:21
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Wow! I’ve been gone a few days and now this. Ugly!

The threats of legal action are an unnecessary and unhelpful escalation. What follows is a little insight into the Swiss Criminal Code and court practice, beginning with the relevant law (in English! of course):

The parts I’ve highlighted are the ones that could possibly be relevant.

Hate, according to the Bundesgericht, is much more than antipathy, aversion, animosity and dislike and also more than anger and fury. It is a fundamentally hostile attitude. I haven’t read through all the comments but it would take quite a lot for this definition to be fulfilled. Simply bitching about the Swiss and saying negative things about them is not enough to meet the standards of Art. 261bis of the Swiss Criminal Code.

Violation of human dignity
This would be the case when the comments deny Swiss people their fundamental human rights, i.e., treat them as if they are less than human and undeserving of respect and dignity. For example, a newspaper article described all people who seek asylum as freeloaders who are unwilling and uninterested in working. This was not considered a violation. The Swiss courts differentiate between slander and racism and also between racism and the freedom of speech.

Again, it takes a lot more than bad-mouthing the Swiss to fall under Art. 261bis. Certainly not everyone does it on the forum and it is not forum policy to encourage this. Could some of the comments be considered slanderous? Perhaps. That doesn’t make them racist or discriminatory in the sense of Art. 261bis. And it certainly doesn’t make the English Forum guilty of inciting or disseminating racist and discriminatory ideologies.

Throwing around threats is certainly a great way to try to intimidate people, especially foreigners who may not know the ins and outs of the legal system in the country that they are living in. I understand that it is not nice to hear people rag on your country or culture: I am American after all. American bashing in general seems to be very acceptable but despite all the horrible things I have read and heard said about Americans, it would not cross my mind to try and drag someone or a whole forum in front of the court because my (American) sensibilities have been hurt. Discuss: yes. Confront and explain why the opinion that was expressed is invalid, hurtful etc: absolutely. Threaten legal action: bullying is ugly.
Hey apparently I have a case now! Maybe I should bully this place too....

Do you realise how I could apply this to the muslim bashing thread all over the forum? Should I sue every single people who passed racists comments, assumptions and bla bla bla? Including the lady involve in this present threat? Should I sue the forum who took way too long before to stop that Sophisticat and who let her vomit her racist disgusting comments about muslim and Islam all over the forum? Comments, bashing and very disturbing opinions we still can find on this forum since they weren't deleted....



That would be ridiculous from my part and would affect too many people on this forum who are nice and respectful to others.... I don't like the bashing but I would never dare treatening someone or the forum to report them to the authorities...

But this translation is telling me that apparently, someone like me could complain... Wait... Muslims, Islam? In a country where they banned Minaret?

Ok forget it...
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Cool off guys, its Weekend!

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In a country where they banned Minaret?
You do realise that it wasn't the "authorities" that banned minarets, right?
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Old 18.03.2011, 15:42
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You do realise that it wasn't the "authorities" that banned minarets, right?
Who are the authorities? People.

Who lives in this country? People

Who vote in this country? People.

Same kind of reasoning we got from the two who threaten to report the forum to the authorities. They said that the forum support those comments by letting them on the forum and putting Eco to a mod position, so in their mind, the forum his responsable too....

I know.... I know...

Edit: Like the guy above said....
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Re: A question for those who would report the EF to "the authorities"

I'm not a troll. I haven't visited this forum for a months. I basically stumbled upon this hate thread, the kind of thing I expected to never be seen again.

I have nothing against EF being politically incorrect to some point. I understand that some users have issues with life in CH, and I already mentioned that in my first rant. Damn, I even have my own issues wit the CH, and I probably could agree with some of the things that are being said. I'd be your perfect neighbor.

However, when the admins decide that an openly anti-Swiss person becomes a moderator, it becomes a whole different scenario and they make themselves responsible.

The word "Moderator" comes from the latin "moderare" which means "to temper" or "to regulate". It means that the moderator is supposed to arbitrate, not to add fuel, or even take sides. It's even worse when the mod actually is the worst swiss hater on the forum.

A few examples from Economisto:

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-I've never used the "ignore" function - it seems terribly pathetic. Is it commonly used? Also, @Cherry, most of the things in this thread are true, and the language of Switzerland isn't German, it's Orc-German.

-"This culture" you say. Where? Point to it please. Asking an Englishman to adapt to the culture and manners of the Swiss is asking him to adopt an unacceptable handicap.

-What is a "Swiss manners"? There is only English manners or scruffy derivatives. Give a hillperson a pile of gold, incubate 100 years, and this is what you get. Delusions of civility.

-More helpful: is being Swiss something you can forget?
These threads were not joke-thread. They were serious discussions. And he simply keeps going, is being made a mod.

What I want is obvious: People like economisto, who crossed the line more than once, shouldn't be moderators on a public forum. It damages the reputation of the forum and the one of it's users. So fire this guy. He's a flamer, not a moderator!
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Old 18.03.2011, 15:44
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I'm not a troll. <snip>
So fire this guy. He's a flamer, not a moderator!
Don't get dizzy.
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