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I beg to differ. The chit chat is a consequence of the information. It's the foundation of the Forum.
I believe the chit chat is here and brings the informations and in consequences it brings more chit chat. If no one were spending time on the forum just for chit chat, no one would be around to share the informations when a question is asked. I see it as a circle...
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Re: What's the point

But I think many of us trust the "groupthink" of EF and look to fellow members for great tips about a myriad of things. What better place than EF to ask about good weekend trips, good deals from ZRH/BAS/GVA...

Of course, it "dilutes" but does that also mean it does NOT enrich? I think not.

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I do see the point of not opening up travel tips to gazillions of world destinations, it would swell so organically. Search button yields whatever one needs just fine, no? There is no need to feel let down by people sticking to certain rules that make things simple..nothing is done here to aggravate users but the opposite, to facilitate.
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Surely the forum search button means that forum growth (of actual, solid, helpful information) is a good thing?
Absolutely, growth is good, organic growth in one subforum might have a difficult oversight, though. I do not think having things moved to off topic is in any way a traumatizing experience, things do not get lost, info stays. That's why search will dig it up, when people need.

I am not saying either that having things moved should say anything about OP, either, I haven't moved those threads and might have thought about the issue a lot before doing it. But for whatever reason it got done, I see a reason valid enough for me, that is - uncontrolled noise over different destinations, life there, etc. anything that piles up with all the countries that exist and people who have something to chip in with...it seems to me it would get complicated. I think info is valuable no matter who posts it, newbie or a regular, you see. But if we start a complicated discussion on Prague, pickpockets, goulash, wenches and beer, I would, personally, rather see it in OT. If I was non Czech and was about to travel there, a - I post a question in OT, b - go to pragueexpact and post a question there, to have belt and suspenders.

From my point of veiw, everything posted on EF, or most of some valuable discussions, have something to do with Switzerland, even OT. The stuff that goes so beyond, usually gets deleted, anyways. So I wouldn't worry if threads get shuffled around a bit, for easier oversight, management, or what have you. So, in my position, I would rather try to comfort our valued members, that anything here is relevant. Even in OT, 99% of people are in CH here.

Because if we think otherwise, we might as well just chose "on topic" section for people who have been here ages, and "off topic" as something subpar, for those who are new. And that is nonsense.

Long time members' posts do not make ontopic or offtopic criteria, me thinks. It's the theme we are discussing. And I would hate to see this applied also on other subforums, if we allow it in Travel. I'd say, let's keep travel neat for travel locally, and other destinations off topic, or somewhat common sense in between if discussions roll over into something bigger that is harder to mod.

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I beg to differ. The chit chat is a consequence of the information. It's the foundation of the Forum.
I agree. I do think too much noise deters possible nice members. Not a few threads being moved in hope of having info easily accessible. The communication we get privately from members and help we get from not only regulars but newbies, too, makes me think this. But again, I think I am still in a learning curve.
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Re: What's the point

Classic case of if we don't think so, regardless of what the others think.

But please explain concisely what the diff' is between between a hotel options in Venice, B&B's in Venice, flights to Dubai, cars in Munich. luggage in London and an area to stay in NY. Your logic music chick dictate they are all noise as none are in CH so should all move... that was the reason for the post.

I also don't understand what the problem would be with Travel being set up in the same way as Market Place with for example Swiss, Europe, Americas and Asia headings.
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Classic case of if we don't think so, regardless of what the others think.

But please explain concisely what the diff' is between between a hotel options in Venice, B&B's in Venice, flights to Dubai, cars in Munich. luggage in London and an area to stay in NY. Your logic music chick dictate they are all noise as none are in CH so should all move... that was the reason for the post.

I also don't understand what the problem would be with Travel being set up in the same way as Market Place with for example Swiss, Europe, Americas and Asia headings.
Are you as belligerent with everyone trying to keep order or just upset your thread was moved? You've read the sticky regarding travel, I presume? Here's the linky:

Posting for Travel/Day Trips? Read this first...

As mentioned two pages back, perhaps send EB a note on suggestions on how to adapt the Forum. It's not up to mods to plan the Forum; merely to keep threads / themes / posts in some sort of workable order. I fully agree it's 'our' Forum, but it's not nor ever was a democracy.

I for one am not against your idea, nor am I particularly for it.
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Re: What's the point

Not normally, but luddites who's head is somewhere brown and yucky tend to bring it out in me

That sticky from way back doesn't quite marry with the topic heading does it, is it Swiss only or nearly Swiss, but even then Dubai is a stretch, so 4/10 for accuraccy and 10/10 for something else... hint, that wouldn't be consistency. I don't give a rats bum what you do with my posts BTW

So with any forum questions or suggestions we go straight to EB, we don't sound it out here 1st to present a workable idea to him, good to know
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Old 13.05.2011, 19:42
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Not normally, but luddites who's head is somewhere brown and yucky tend to bring it out in me

That sticky from way back doesn't quite marry with the topic heading does it, is it Swiss only or nearly Swiss, but even then Dubai is a stretch, so 4/10 for accuraccy and 10/10 for something else... hint, that wouldn't be consistency. I don't give a rats bum what you do with my posts BTW

So with any forum questions or suggestions we go straight to EB, we don't sound it out here 1st to present a workable idea to him, good to know
The chronology of your thread being posted in the wrong place, a mod moving the thread to the appropriate place and the subsequent starting of this thread where you claim not to care about the matter but take umbrage that luddites have the gall to not ensure the absolute letter of the law is applied 100% across the million+ posts on this Forum makes me wonder, but I can only take your word for it.

On behalf of all the Mods, please accept our apologies for not living up to your expectations. As has already been stated, patience and cooperation are appreciated.
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Re: What's the point

I think what PG maybe is trying to get an answer to is why a post of his asking about travel to NY was sent off topic when after quick peak in to the travel forum just now shows many posts still in there which aren't JUST swiss related

To make it fair either they all get shifted (at some point) to off topic or the travel section rules are changed. There have been so many complaints and discrepancies within this sub forum for so long - I have had posts moved before I was a mod and while i was a mod from that section and yet others remain there. It seems to be a bit of a grey area - maybe you mod guys need to ask the elusive EB if this section should be ONLY swiss or not - I vote for it to be changed to reflect the current postings that still remain in that section which are swiss and non swiss travel related
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I think what PG maybe is trying to get an answer to is why a post of his asking about travel to NY was sent off topic when after quick peak in to the travel forum just now shows many posts still in there which aren't JUST swiss related

To make it fair either they all get shifted (at some point) to off topic or the travel section rules are changed. There have been so many complaints and discrepancies within this sub forum for so long - I have had posts moved before I was a mod and while i was a mod from that section and yet others remain there. It seems to be a bit of a grey area - maybe you mod guys need to ask the elusive EB if this section should be ONLY swiss or not - I vote for it to be changed to reflect the current postings that still remain in that section which are swiss and non swiss travel related
I had the same question about family matters a few weeks back. I pointed out some exemples who didn't belong there anymore and they are still in that section, while very good topics are send into Off-Topic section.

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But please explain concisely ...
I understand. The noise I was talking about in my responses, though, related to "chitchat" Nil mentioned, and the general aversion here to Off Topic, which I fail to see the reason for.

I think compartmentalizing is not the best idea. But anyone can communicate their suggestions to EB.
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I understand. The noise I was talking about in my responses, though, related to "chitchat" Nil mentioned, and the general aversion here to Off Topic, which I fail to see the reason for.

I think compartmentalizing is not the best idea. But anyone can communicate their suggestions to EB.
When I am talking about chit chat, I didn't mean it in a way of just noise without consistence. I meant it like thread about politics, religions, economics, culture, jokes, etc. things that are not all the time, in every moment related to CH but which bring a lot of traffic and people who stick around to read, write and enjoy those kind of topics.

Because people are around for those threads, when someone come over to ask a question about CH, he/she gets an answer very fast.

I found so many ghost forums where so many questions were asked but no one there to answer them... No noise, no traffic.
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When I am talking about chit chat, I didn't mean it in a way of just noise without consistence. I meant it like thread about politics, religions, economics, culture, jokes, etc. things that are not all the time, in every moment related to CH but which bring a lot of traffic and people who stick around to read, write and enjoy those kind of topics.

Because people are around for those threads, when someone come over to ask a question about CH, he/she gets an answer very fast.

I found so many ghost forums where so many questions were asked but no one there to answer them... No noise, no traffic.
Sure, that's not a bad thing. The minute it becomes a MSN, though, things get cleaned up, though, so info is reachable and things do not get drowned in silly banter. I am sure you understand that, too. What's difficult to explain, though, that there is more than massive amount of work. There aren't many of us who do this work, and we do not have a schedule like people do have, in normal, paid job. We do not take turns, there is no rota. A few people squeeze modding into whatever few mins they have, to keep the community a structured place, in order for people to be able to have their discussions. In ontopic or offopic areas. That's why solidarity, support and help is appreciated. Actually, let me thank all the good members who do help and report, it is quite amazing. TLC.

I don't go back, take an individual forum aside and plough through those hundred of threads to see how they fit the stickies or if my colleagues did the job right. I trust my colleagues that the measures that they have taken have been done in the best conscience to keep it neat here and functioning. If when it was not my watch, and threads stayed in Family/health, I can't go back, for the consistency sake. It is actually impossible, since there is so much to do. If one of us decided to do something, which is completely within the rules, ie in this Travel case actually sticking to the rules we have, I won't question, nor publicly put him on a spot, un-collegially. The situ does not point finger to the person who did the work correctly but rather to all of us not moving the threads that aren't supposed to be there before, and the mods before us when the rules might have been different.

But do not flame the person who actually did stick to the rules. That means work has been done, as opposed to not done. The threads that stayed and shouldn't have - they might get moved later if we consider the point, or they might stay if we get swamped again, or whatever decision will be made.

But I cannot see how compartmentalizing would help, nor members getting hurt. Ok. Concise is not my thing today, hahaha. Gota run get milk, make breakfast before my hungry people wake up, and hopefully see how many spammers decided to plaque us the last few days/hours, how many sneaked in hard to see self promo or if somebody is being harassed, read through dozens of threads if things are ok and people feel good communicating.
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Re: What's the point

You are totally right, I know how much work it is and it is absolutely amazing the amount of work every mod is doing..... FOR FREE!

This forum and especially The Local are both very very lucky to have such hard workers for mods. (I am not trying to kiss ass here, I really think every single word I am saying)

I wouldn't want to do your job at all. It is hell lot of work, you have to deal with lot of people of all kind, attitudes, etc and so little reward coming from it.

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Here's my 2c:

This forum is largely populated by foreigners. By definition, travel is central to the lives of most of us. Everyone I know is either travelling, just travelled, or about to travel.

The forum as a whole is surely not just about living in Switzerland. It's about discussing topics of particular interest to those living in Switzerland. International travel to and from the country is very much on-topic I would say. A sub-forum relating to international travel would be absolutely appropriate and widely appreciated.
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I think what PG maybe is trying to get an answer to ...
As you'll be aware, we don't have a distinct subforum for such non-Swiss travel related queries so Off Topic has to do. It's done very well so far. Perhaps EB will introduce this facility, but as it stands here we are, housekeeping as usual.

It should come as no surprise there are inconsistencies and I wonder the cause of such sudden concerns. Some whisk high dudgeon far too quickly, which would be reasonable if mods were directly employed by Users, but as it is we're busy enough responding to the variety of issues modding on EF entails, inbetween inconvenient real life
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