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Old 21.06.2011, 22:32
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Something that I don't like on EF is that people complain about threads being "repeats" of older threads. So what ? If you aren't interested don't reply. Why does griping about it help ?
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Old 21.06.2011, 22:36
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Not again! There's already a thread about this.
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Old 21.06.2011, 22:40
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Something that I don't like on EF is that people complain about threads being "repeats" of older threads. So what ? If you aren't interested don't reply. Why does griping about it help ?
Some people like to ... just because ... you will get the feel for who they are
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Old 21.06.2011, 22:45
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Something that I don't like on EF is that people complain about threads being "repeats" of older threads. So what ? If you aren't interested don't reply. Why does griping about it help ?
I understand, to a point. But I think (and I'm a greenhorn too) that this might be the Brown Sugar Syndrome.
If I want an answer, I search first to see if there's a relevant discussion before posting. Let's face it, the old hands must be bored out of their boxes by certain repeated requests.
Of course this kind of forum has a tidal nature of newcomers (I will never use the word Newbie no matter what they do to my toenails) so that certain questions do become tedious.
If the info is here, we should do the work to find it. It ain't Google. As a New Person, I'd rather search and trawl before becoming a bore.
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Old 21.06.2011, 22:46
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Old 21.06.2011, 22:47
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Re: griping trolls

Witha all due respect, because some of us have spent a lot of time and energy adding very valuable information to the resource that is EF. When somebody asks for some information that I may have given an in depth reply to 2 or 3 years ago I might think "Why did I bother". What should I do.... find my answer and copy and paste or instruct the poster to have a look via the search function as the answer to his problem is already here?

And to follow your logic, if it bothers you, why did you reply (sorry, create a whole new thread about it)? Why does griping about it help?
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Old 21.06.2011, 22:49
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I understand, to a point. But I think (and I'm a greenhorn too) that this might be the Brown Sugar Syndrome.
If I want an answer, I search first to see if there's a relevant discussion before posting. Let's face it, the old hands must be bored out of their boxes by certain repeated requests.
Of course this kind of forum has a tidal nature of newcomers (I will never use the word Newbie no matter what they do to my toenails) so that certain questions do become tedious.
If the info is here, we should do the work to find it. It ain't Google. As a New Person, I'd rather search and trawl before becoming a bore.
Good luck!
Hi, relative newcomer!! On the subject of brown sugar, if my memory serves me right, I don't think the subject had been addressed when the request for it first appeared (way back when!). It has, of course, become something of a standing joke since then ...
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Old 21.06.2011, 22:54
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Re: griping trolls

It is inevitable that there will be repeat threads. Sometimes it is because people haven't searched already. I believe that in most cases it could be for one of the following reasons:

  • People think their question is a bit different
  • They couldn't see the answer to their query in previous threads
  • They would like more current information
  • The search function gave to many options/no options. This could be due to the limits of the search function or user's inexperience.
Like you, I don't think it is a major issue, but is better to merge threads where possible. When someone is looking for similar information in future, they will have less threads to search through.

Members complaining that others should have searched first or quoting a similar thread is not particularly helpful. I think that it is better to report the thread using the red triangle at the top right of the post. If you can quote the similar thread as well, it will assist the mods so that they can merge the threads if they feel it would be beneficial.

I can understand the frustration of the more established members who see similar subjects appearing frequently. Hopefully the management will look to making things clearer for new members to help reduce the number of duplicate threads. Improving the new member information/procedure and improving the search function have both been suggested. I don't think duplicate threads will ever stop.

Another forum that I use occasionally has a Newbie Avatar as below. If all Newbies had a similar one for, say, the first 20 posts it may encourage some others to be a little more sympathetic.
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:02
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Re: griping trolls

Well put Deep Purple. I agree entirely with your four bullet points above, in addition to which, I think that it does not even cross the minds of a lot of 'newbies' to use the search function. (Myself included, when I was one ...)
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:06
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Re: griping trolls

Bam, take a look at this thread: driving to UK from Switzerland - one person may come with us

Then try the search function, e.g. "Driving UK".

You'll see that nearly every question the OP posted had been addressed before, and the answers haven't really changed.

The debate about the best route/crossing is opinion-based and one that will never be resolved.

Options for crossing the channel are all about preference.

Having these repeat threads clogs up the EF and means we can't address the more serious issues.
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:10
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Bam, take a look at this thread: driving to UK from Switzerland - one person may come with us

Then try the search function, e.g. "Driving UK".

You'll see that nearly every question the OP posted had been addressed before, and the answers haven't really changed.

The debate about the best route/crossing is opinion-based and one that will never be resolved.

Options for crossing the channel are all about preference.

Having these repeat threads clogs up the EF and means we can't address the more serious issues.
But doesn't this highlight beautifully the issues that DP raised? This was a first post for the OP ... and was effectively a long and heart-felt cry for help.
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:11
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But doesn't this highlight beautifully the issues that DP raised? This was a first post for the OP ... and was effectively a long and well thought out cry for help.
Not really. All the answers are there already...
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:12
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griping trolls? Sounds like what I suffer from after too many beers & a vindaloo.
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:14
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Not really. All the answers are there already...
I think you are missing the point here - this is an 'absolute newbie' that we are talking about. A recent thread on the subject of first posts was quite revealing, in as much as a lot of us just go in feet first after stumbling upon the Forum.
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:16
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On the subject of brown sugar
On that subject, daughter #1 was visiting from Vallemaggia (Cevio), and wanted to make Tollhouse cookies, but didn't know where to get brown sugar.

I gave her a jar of molasses (from a Reformhaus), and told her to use white, and add enough to get the desired color/taste.

Now we just need to find a way to produce chocolate chips!

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P.S. Just thought of a way! Drizzle melted chocolate into a moving ice-water bath! I'll have to give it a try!
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:19
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maaaaan you guys are busy busy during the day.
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:23
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Bam, take a look at this thread: driving to UK from Switzerland - one person may come with us

Then try the search function, e.g. "Driving UK". .....
Using this example, Simple search gives 49 results; Google search gives 7370 results; Advanced search of entire posts gives over 500 results; and Advanced search of Titles only gives 380 results.

People first have to decide which search to use. Even searching 49 threads will put some people off. Admittedly some of the 49 will be immediately obvious as irrelevant. I have searched and given up before now because I could not come up with a specific word that was not too common.

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Having these repeat threads clogs up the EF and means we can't address the more serious issues.
I agree that threads should be merged wherever possible. Reporting to mods with a suggestion of the thread to merge to, if known, is the best option at present in my opinion.
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Old 21.06.2011, 23:36
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Old 22.06.2011, 07:09
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Could you repeat the question?
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Old 22.06.2011, 07:33
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I'm going to steal Oucboy's library of lolcat and troll images.
(they never come up when I search anyway - even if they have been used before)
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