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Old 07.07.2011, 12:41
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Why do moderators keep merging posts

I've noticed a fresh tendency on the EF of late for moderators to merge multiple posts into single items. This is very annoying when viewing in threaded mode as the response to one sub-thread somwhow appears in a totally disconnected sub-thread.

Why do the mods do this? I'm sure its extra work for them, and for the rest of it makes it more difficult to follow. Is there some incentive to reduce the overall number of posts?
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Old 07.07.2011, 12:48
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Is there some incentive to reduce the overall number of posts?
No - but there is an incentive to reduce the number of repeated threads. Duplication leads to duplication. The fewer threads you have on a single topic - the easier it is for people to find the answer to a similar question.

I applaud it.
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Old 07.07.2011, 12:49
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I've noticed a fresh tendency on the EF of late for moderators to merge multiple posts into single items. This is very annoying when viewing in threaded mode as the response to one sub-thread somwhow appears in a totally disconnected sub-thread.

Why do the mods do this? I'm sure its extra work for them, and for the rest of it makes it more difficult to follow. Is there some incentive to reduce the overall number of posts?
For most people it makes it much easier to follow. It's terribly boring for me, but I think it makes everything look neater and easier to read. If you'd use multiquote we wouldn't have to merge posts.
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Old 07.07.2011, 12:52
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Re: Why do moderators keep merging posts

I sense a thread merge... I'm sure this topic has been covered before... oh the irony...
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:00
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No - but there is an incentive to reduce the number of repeated threads.
Î wasn't talking about threads. I was talking about subthreads.

Mutiquote is okay if you want to respond to different posts at the same time, but if you are responding to totally unconnected discussions that just happen to be going on in parallel on the same thread it makes things more messy, not less so IMHO. For example if I read a post and I notice it doesn't interest me I stop reading after the first line or so and move on to the next. If the mods have merged some stuff in further down that was totally unconnected but they just felt people should use multiquote more, then that's confusing and reducing the ovearll usability by removing the thread's structure.

Applying you logic further, you could argue, why have threads at all? If all discussions ran in one big monster thread I don't think we'd be any better off.

If you don't want people to follow sub-threads, why not at least disable the option to track them?
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:14
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Re: Why do moderators keep merging posts

We had a thread about this a while back, and found that very few people actually read the forum in threaded mode (you, Treverus, I think two or three others - that's it.) If it's becoming more popular maybe we ought to re-examine current mod policies. In the meantime I'm afraid those policies are aimed at providing the greatest readability for the greatest number.

When people use the multiquote feature, does the resulting post 'play nicely' with threaded mode? I'll have a look. If it does, I don't mind pushing that option a bit harder... I get the impression a lot of people aren't even aware it exists.
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Re: Why do moderators keep merging posts

id find it better if they would simply delete many of the 2006-2007-2008 posts. many things , including members have changed since then, it would clean up the place....just my two cents
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:29
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id find it better if they would simply delete many of the 2006-2007-2008 posts. many things , including members have changed since then, it would clean up the place....just my two cents
Good idea. We'll cancel the rest of our appointments, sleep, meal, social and work times to set about doing this.

Or people could simply stop posting guff. That may solve the problem.

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Old 07.07.2011, 13:30
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id find it better if they would simply delete many of the 2006-2007-2008 posts. many things , including members have changed since then, it would clean up the place....just my two cents
Whilst may of these are no longer relevant, and may never be looked at again I don't think that is practical.

There are over 1.2 million posts in 95,000 threads. Any form or automated deletion is almost certain to remove useful information.

It would probably mess up the posting stats, reputations and Google ranking.
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:31
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id find it better if they would simply delete many of the 2006-2007-2008 posts. many things , including members have changed since then, it would clean up the place....just my two cents
Yeah, off-topic, but I second this excellent suggestion. I am on EF primarily for the sports and fitness forum and I can speak about it: About 1% of the posts are useful and of enduring value; the rest are small talk, banter, or things that are no longer useful after the date has passed. I don't see much value in archiving posts. It heavily clutters the forum and makes searching harder.

For posts over a year old, anything of value should be merged and stickied (about 10-20 for each forum), ALL others threads/posts should be trashed. I know it won't happen, but just saying
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:31
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Re: Why do moderators keep merging posts

multipost makes reading to the average person nicer. I congratulate the mods who cull, merge, and correct posts.
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Good idea. We'll cancel the rest of our appointments, sleep, meal, social and work times to set about doing this.

Or people could simply stop posting guff. That may solve the problem.


thanks so abo0ut when do you think it can be done by
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:33
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Yeah, off-topic, but I second this excellent suggestion. I am on EF primarily for the sports and fitness forum and I can speak about it: About 1% of the posts are useful and of enduring value; the rest are small talk, banter, or things that are no longer useful after the date has passed. I don't see much value in archiving posts. It heavily clutters the forum and makes searching harder.

For posts over a year old, anything of value should be merged and stickied (about 10-20 for each forum), ALL others threads/posts should be trashed. I know it won't happen, but just saying
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Or people could simply stop posting guff. That may solve the problem.

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Old 07.07.2011, 13:36
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Good idea. We'll cancel the rest of our appointments, sleep, meal, social and work times to set about doing this.

Or people could simply stop posting guff. That may solve the problem.

Sorry, not what I had in mind, I think if this is a lean forum, it will reduce the chances of people not searching (I find searching very hard because of all the outdated junk), so I am suggesting deleting all threads (except stickies) over a year old (maybe a simple program will automate the process: any thread not stickied by a mod will automatically go to the dump. Barring 1-2 threads, I have never had reason to revisit a thread older than 1 year. I can see it can affect reputation, posting stats etc., but I think those are trivial.
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:38
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Re: Why do moderators keep merging posts

Update: multiquote doesn't work well with threaded mode. Sorry guys. A multiquoted reply is threaded onto the post chronologically preceding it (i.e. last post of the thread for those viewing in linear mode) rather than onto any of the posts you are quoting.
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Old 07.07.2011, 13:40
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We had a thread about this a while back, and found that very few people actually read the forum in threaded mode (you, Treverus, I think two or three others - that's it.)
I actually stopped using the threaded mode: It would require the other users to use it as well... which they don't. Result is that they either multiquote various posts in a thread (and therefore screw up the entire threaded view) or simply reply to different things in one post which only ends up in one thread - so if 99% of the users feel like reading the entire threads, I'll do so as well.

I therefore use my ignore list more actively now to filter out some 50% of the drivel. So sorry if I sometimes repeat a point that was made before - there is a chance that I don't see it...
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Update: multiquote doesn't work well with threaded mode. A multiquoted reply is threaded onto the post chronologically preceding it (i.e. last post of the thread for those viewing in linear mode) rather than onto any of the posts you are quoting.
Please try to remember that this is the ENGLISH speaking forum.
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Sorry, not what I had in mind, I think if this is a lean forum, it will reduce the chances of people not searching (I find searching very hard because of all the outdated junk), so I am suggesting deleting all threads (except stickies) over a year old (maybe a simple program will automate the process: any thread not stickied by a mod will automatically go to the dump. Barring 1-2 threads, I have never had reason to revisit a thread older than 1 year. I can see it can affect reputation, posting stats etc., but I think those are trivial.
Your outdated junk is Ouchboy's treasured lolcat moment of glory.

I get the point but er, Family Guy's on and we were hoping for a night off here at ER Towers...
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Your outdated junk is Ouchboy's treasured lolcat moment of glory.

I get the point but er, Family Guy's on and we were hoping for a night off here at ER Towers...
Merge that!

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