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Old 25.07.2011, 16:34
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Re: 12-14CHF an hour in CH on EF?!?

Of course ideally, the sitter needs to be qualified. And then you pay the good 30fr an hour? I think most people who do not have a family or friends willing to swap sitting, would decide not to have kids here in the first place.

Qualified equals good cash. I know people who sit or au pair/nanny, who work for less than 30fr an hour, but happen to be happy because they managed to find work. If you over control this, state the minimal wage, people will not be able to afford it, and sitters who need work won't have jobs. There is zero morals in this. It's all about people's needs, both parents and sitters. As it was said here, people are often great with kids, despite not having a license. Often it is just a formality, anyways.

The prices are matched with the alternatives (creche, maman du jour), so the same folks would have the same chances. There is about 3yr waiting list for creche in our area. Sweet. Would be really good for sitters, if people could actually afford them. Something really is wrong here.
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Old 25.07.2011, 17:05
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Re: 12-14CHF an hour in CH on EF?!?

We are not talking about a 'babysitter' here, an older teenager who occasionally looks after a child or 2 for a couple of hours whilst parents go to the cinema or shopping. We are talking about an adult with sole charge of a baby- a HUGE difference, sorry. Would most of you entrust a baby to an un-trained person you 'picked' up on a Forum? I have to say, but NO, I would NOT.
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Old 25.07.2011, 17:17
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Re: 12-14CHF an hour in CH on EF?!?

So this is related to a specific job post, not to an hour wage for child care in general. I see.

Well, no general comments possible, honestly. Job can be really flexible, you can have more kids to take care of, which most people do, or parents making a group order, sort of speak, split the cost, because they know eachother, etc. Get bonuses, a trial period after which one gets more.

Saying 12-14fr is not good enough for people, is saying they don't need the cash. And, as it is, some people are in dear need of cash here, came to accompany somebody who is already working, are say already home with their own kids, etc etc. 14fr an hour at 5x8hr a week, is not bad, if you already live with somebody and need to buy your groceries.

Think about teaching, a lot of teachers go for low wages, because even though they are trained, their license does not go as far as CH. Are we supposed to close Migros?

I get your gripe, wonder how you want to better this social injustice? It would penalize people who are great with kids, have experience, are willing to flexibly put up with this wage for now, and would penalize parents as well.

If you want to filter hour wage in here, then write to local papers, Ikea message boards, the same in local Migros, as well, anywhere where people advertise for child care jobs..

Artificially knock up prices while demand/supply is different means sending some folks to poverty or unemployment. Qualified mamans du jour make decent wage here, there is always a choice to actually get a license, get registered and not work for somebody who cannot pay decently.
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Is this acceptable- and should adverts offering this sort of remuneration (for an adult, non live in) be accepted here on EF? What do you think?
To be fair to the lady offering 12-14chf, she did say that she wasn't sure of the rate and would pay more to a qualified nanny, but she got several replies saying that amount was fine. It isn't forced labour. I used to pay my cleaner in London more than the recommended agency fee because I felt it wasn't a living wage, but if someone is willing to take the work why should they be denied.
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Re: 12-14CHF an hour in CH on EF?!?

From a moderator point of view, there's very little to be done. Even if we determined that 14chf per hour with food and lodging is an unacceptably poor wage (and I'm not really qualified to say either way) then we'd have to step in in various other situations, to know the law and common practice on hours and conditions and travel time and qualification &c &c

It's just impractical. It's a good discussion to have as to whether it's an acceptable job offer, but just know that these sorts of things can't be practicably moderated unfortunately.
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Old 25.07.2011, 17:38
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Re: 12-14CHF an hour in CH on EF?!?

Well, moderator hat aside, I think these kinds of things cannot even be moderated/controlled, there are too many variables. I lived this scenario in real life and it served nobody.
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Old 25.07.2011, 19:20
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Re: 12-14CHF an hour in CH on EF?!?

Of course I realise this can't be moderated here. BTW I am not really looking at the poor wage necessarily from the childminder point of view, but from the baby's- and as a mother and grand-mother.

One could say though that 'market value' did (no, still do, sadly) apply to slave and child labour- and I am not sure that made/makes it right.
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Re: 12-14CHF an hour in CH on EF?!?

Philosophically speaking, I totally agree with you. If you take cash and equal it to estimate value, sure then you end up with a shocking thing, that our kids aren't worth a proper wage, the nanny is hurting and we employ god knows who, just trying to save money. The system is pushed by extreme shortage of daycare places and how terribly expensive it is.
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Well, moderator hat aside, I think these kinds of things cannot even be moderated/controlled, there are too many variables. I lived this scenario in real life and it served nobody.
Agreed. I think anyone worth their salt as a parent will advertise on here then vet the person via PM/e-mail, meet with them, check references etc.

I wouldn't let my kids be with someone new until I found out as much as could about them and then hang around for the first few babysitting dates to see how it works out.. many mothers need help with child-care whilst they work part-time, and in many cases part-time work does not pay so well therefore some Mums find it difficult and wonder if it is worth it: the cost of childcare or stay at home.

Maybe if mothers got paid more then child-care could be paid better, and regulated effectively, but then that doesn't happen, does it? Round and round we go..
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