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Hey!

This thread is not for you to come and troll in it because they close the other one.

I have the intention of a real debate and sensitive answers, so open an other silly thread to troll and fight on who said what!
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Well we have already established that we had different opinion than yours, and that we had no issue with such and such avatars.

But you refuse to see that and post non stop that you disagree.

It's never ending!

Oh and I provided elements for a real debate and sensitive answers but you never responded.

Let's do that again:

1) it's not a picture but a drawing, a cartoon. fact

2) I don't think they'll be any harm to draw a skinhead =my humble opinion (skinhead= what I think is "nazi equivalent" to a bearded man with a muslim icon on his turban. Fact)

3) What's a picture of the Nazism? Anyway whatever it is please put it! I'll be happy to explain anyone why that "group" was doing wrong, and why. It's history. Not talking about it would be hypocrisy and stupid.= fact

4) laicity: authority dont take involvment in religious matters.=fact


PS: can you accept that we won't necessarily be offended if you post a cartoon of a stereotypical nazi?
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Old 30.08.2011, 11:50
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Right. Avatars is pretty much a case by case basis. We will immediately remove anything obscene or vulgar, other than that it comes down to how we feel about something. Should we feel that an avatar is inappropriate the person will be asked to change it.

Now that the two offending avatars have been voluntarily changed by the respective members, can we now leave this alone. I've already closed one thread on this subject, and I'd rather not end up having to close this one as well.
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Hey!

This thread is not for you to come and troll in it because they close the other one.

I have the intention of a real debate and sensitive answers, so open an other silly thread to troll and fight on who said what!
Sensitive to what your moral values and religious beliefs? Your ideal of a forum utopia where no one would offend your moral high ground.

The forum is like real life there will be people that offend you. Suck it up and move on.

Take these individuals for what they are. Be the better person, educate and explain the offense but do not dictate. People faught for freedom of speech for many years for good reason. If nothing else it gives us something to talk about!
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Hey!

This thread is not for you to come and troll in it because they close the other one.

I have the intention of a real debate and sensitive answers, so open an other silly thread to troll and fight on who said what!
PS: when you entered that forum you accepted the forum rules:
You will also demonstrate respect to and tolerance of all other members of the forum..

So You decide what has to be in "your thread"?

Maybe you could actually bomb me to "show me how it hurts" that I have been posting something you did not like...

Because as far as I know I respected the forum rules (not yours apparently).

When will I be executed? (You know I need to make arrangements).
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Yes there are mechanisms to deal with the 0.5% causing the problems. No rules are needed.

Your thread is trying to impose your rules of what is acceptable on other forum members.

You are not a moderator.

I object to that hence why I want the thread closed. I have stated my reasons for this. It's up to the moderators to decide not me or you.

You've done it in the past trying to impose your values on this community and I objected then and I will again.

I request that I can choose what avatar I want without being "nannied."

I hate royality in the UK and could come up with a avatar, should I have someone dictate an ever increasing list of banned avatars?
To believe in something and expressing it is what you call imposing my values?

Ok. That is what I am doing, obviously! Like you are trying to impose your values that everything is acceptable, nothing should be made with respect and your freedom of speech should pass over respect of others.

I objected before of this disrespecful for others behavior and I will again.

Beside you, other people exist too. And your freedom finish when the next person's one begin.

I have strong ideas and feelings about this topic. I wanted to seek the mods opinions and I brang it to their concerns. I will accept their decisions no matter if I like it or not.

Yes, I wish everybody had the skills to be respecful to each others, but not everyone cares enough. I won't put a gun of your head for that. If I did, you would be able to say that I am imposing my values on you.

Otherwise it is just expressing opinions and concerns.
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The forum is like real life there will be people that offend you. Suck it up and move on.

Take these individuals for what they are. Be the better person, educate and explain the offense but do not dictate. People faught for freedom of speech for many years for good reason. If nothing else it gives us something to talk about!
Absolutely agreed.

Plus, there's always the option to ignore or simply not take the bait...there's way better things to do with one's time and life, no?
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Nobody wants everything to come all PC and cleansed, but freedom of speech does come with responsibility and respect, surely. Wouldn't hurt anybody to consider others when posting avatars or other materials.

Please Zuger - get you get your big bum out of here. Mine is fairly substantial too, but I wouldn't expect others to be confronted with it here.
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To believe in something and expressing it is what you call imposing my values?

Ok. That is what I am doing, obviously! Like you are trying to impose your values that everything is acceptable, nothing should be made with respect and your freedom of speech should pass over respect of others.

I objected before of this disrespecful for others behavior and I will again.

Beside you, other people exist too. And your freedom finish when the next person's one begin.

I have strong ideas and feelings about this topic. I wanted to seek the mods opinions and I brang it to their concerns. I will accept their decisions no matter if I like it or not.

Yes, I wish everybody had the skills to be respecful to each others, but not everyone cares enough. I won't put a gun of your head for that. If I did, you would be able to say that I am imposing my values on you.

Otherwise it is just expressing opinions and concerns.
Freedom of Speech is the ability to question, mock and discuss ANY topic be that religion or anything else and yes it does come first in Europe.

Respect has nothing to do with this fundamental right. No one HAS to respect anyones position or ideals. It's called freedom.

You are trying to ban certain avatars based on your religious beliefs, hence manipulation of the forum according to your ideals.

This is different from expressing an opinion.
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I was going to stay out, but...oh well...

I understood your point (and other posters') about being hurt by an image you perceived as offensive, and I am glad that the issue seems to have been resolved ("offensive" - to you - images removed, etc.). I do think that a simple PM would have been enough in this case, and I do think that, in general, people should show a bit of common sense in what they choose to put on a public forum or not.

I also sincerely hope that you are really above what people perceived from your posts, and that you apologized to the forum member you chose to address with "your filthy faith" - which, incidentally, I found a million times more offensive than any picture, but that's just me.

In my book, for what it's worth, someone who directs such statements to someone he/she doesn't even know is not worth of ANY RESPECT, not on a forum and not in real life, and regardless of whether he/she is christian, muslim, pastafarian, red, blue, with polka dots...
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Well we have already established that we had different opinion than yours, and that we had no issue with such and such avatars.

But you refuse to see that and post non stop that you disagree.

It's never ending!

Oh and I provided elements for a real debate and sensitive answers but you never responded.

Let's do that again:

1) it's not a picture but a drawing, a cartoon. fact

2) I don't think they'll be any harm to draw a skinhead =my humble opinion (skinhead= what I think is "nazi equivalent" to a bearded man with a muslim icon on his turban. Fact)

3) What's a picture of the Nazism? Anyway whatever it is please put it! I'll be happy to explain anyone why that "group" was doing wrong, and why. It's history. Not talking about it would be hypocrisy and stupid.= fact

4) laicity: authority dont take involvment in religious matters.=fact


PS: can you accept that we won't necessarily be offended if you post a cartoon of a stereotypical nazi?
I won't answer those because it doesn't bring anything on the topic which is what is acceptable and what is not.

The muslim guy was an exemple that I didn't like and brang up. Same as the one I had who got deleted (the woman breastfeeding).

Why one should be more acceptable than the other one. Why the first one was deleted but not the second one?

Your facts about Zuger's avatar don't matter. It is a shocking picture for many, should it be allowed, that's all.

I don't like mushroom, you can bring me facts, studies, pictures, freedom of the mushroom convention, etc. I still won't like it.

Now if I think it is disrespectful, I am in rights to express this opinion and seek mod's opinions on that matter. You like it or not, you believe I am imposing my opinion or not.

I am not a moderator, my opinion is just that, an opinion. I can't change anything. But I can bring the mods to sit down, talk about it and decide if it is an object of concern or not.

This is democratie, it is politics. I have the same right to express my disagrement of this avatar than you to wear it.

As long as the mods say so.
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Freedom of Speech is the ability to question, mock and discuss ANY topic be that religion or anything else and yes it does come first in Europe.

Respect has nothing to do with this fundamental right. No one HAS to respect anyones position or ideals. It's called freedom.

You are trying to ban certain avatars based on your religious beliefs, hence manipulation of the forum according to your ideals.

This is different from expressing an opinion.
NEWS FLASH!

I have no religious beliefs! I said it many many times and it is quite clear for many...

So no, I don't try to ban something based on something I don't have.

I am trying to bring people to use a bit of discernement and common sense when expressing opinions. This is how it is when you live in a multi-culturalism society.

And this forum is a society. If hatred posts are not accepted, same should be with hatred avatars.
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NEWS FLASH!

I am no religious beliefs! I said it many many times and it is quite clear for many...

So no, I don't try to ban something based on something I don't have.

I am trying to bring people to use a bit of discernement and common sense when expressing opinions. This is how it is when you live in a multi-culturalism society.

And this forum is a society. If hatred posts are not accepted, same should be with hatred avatars.
So why defend the position if you feel so strongly about this?

It's not a hatred avatar it's a moron avatar. I doubt the person in question really believed posting the avatar was an expression of his hate for the religion in question.

Why should you get involved? Why defend the corner? You could have sent a PM to a Mod being the experienced EF member you are instead you bring up this drivel about avatar bans.

No common sense doesn't apply all the time that's life. Some people don't play by the rules..

Society judges those that over step the mark and there's mechanisms on EF to voice their thoughts. Again no need for a ban on avatars.
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So why defend the position if you feel so strongly about this?

Why should you get involved? Why defend the corner?
Call me idealist, naive, even idiot but I believe this forum is a community where all its members deserve same respect no matter their religion, color, culture, background.

If something offend some people in here, we should be able to bring up the topic and talk about it.

If post can be deleted, if someone can be ban because of disrespecful comments or hatred opinion, we should be able to see the same for avatars, otherwise nothing and no one should be ban and deleted.
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NEWS FLASH!

I have no religious beliefs! I said it many many times and it is quite clear for many...

So no, I don't try to ban something based on something I don't have.

I am trying to bring people to use a bit of discernement and common sense when expressing opinions. This is how it is when you live in a multi-culturalism society.

And this forum is a society. If hatred posts are not accepted, same should be with hatred avatars.
So will you start another thread or use this one to go after this guy:



or, since you have no religious beliefs are you basing your fight on the idea that Muslims are more easily offended than Christians? Oder?
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So if we had some members of the KKK on the EF and they took offense at the fact I have a black person on my Avatar, should I change it?
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So will you start another thread or use this one to go after this guy:



or, since you have no religious beliefs are you basing your fight on the idea that Muslims are more easily offended than Christians? Oder?
I don't find it offensive. Like I didn't find the breastfeeding avatar offensive either but it got removed. Why?

That is the purpose of this thread. Why one more than the other?

My personal opinion about Zuger's avatar was just that: an opinion.

And my opinion is as a member of a community, we should be done deal to follow some guideline when it comes to respect.
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So if we had some members of the KKK on the EF and they took offense at the fact I have a black person on my Avatar, should I change it?
Only if they didn't list their racist hanging ceremonies under the "Social Events" section in the forum, then that could possibly cause a conundrum.
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