Change of TaC: How to delete my posts?

[J_T]

...wonder what possible value can be exploited from a 800x600 pixel pic, other than linking it to some other off the wall site to decorate some other nutter's off the wall post. Excellent way to become rich and famous.

[Sundog]

	Quote:	resident
	The new terms and conditions state The Local (and partners) now have the rights to everything we post. This was NEVER our agreement with Mark, neither express nor implied.

I'm pretty sure I stumbled upon something that Mark read that actually more or less said that he had rights to everything that is posted. At least in the way that he expected it to stay on the forum. I don't think he had plans to use it other than that.

I'm sure the Swiss Press would happily pay for some of the gems written here about Ch and the Swiss.

+Sky

1) Yes, you can continue to discuss politics and religion, same as ever.

2) No, your email is not shared with third parties. Any commercial emails that are sent will be sent only by The Local on behalf of third party advertisers.

Hello Editor Bob!!!

Could you please also address my question in the original posting? I am getting no response from support@thelocal.se

Specifically this clause:

"This license will come to an end at the time you remove such Contents from the Services and upon your notification to THE LOCAL."

I would like to comply but I don't know how. After some time, the Edit button disappears from postings.

	Quote:	Editor Bob
	+Sky 1) Yes, you can continue to discuss politics and religion, same as ever. 2) No, your email is not shared with third parties. Any commercial emails that are sent will be sent only by The Local on behalf of third party advertisers.

[bigblue2]

Editor Bob,

Not being funny here, but the local seems to be a small company trying to play with the big boys, what you seem to fail to realise is that unlike huge specialist forum sites that have broad appeal (eg cars, football etc) english speakers in switzerland is a tiny market, you really need to think where you want to go with this, the 'news' stories are a waste of time, changing t&c's has been handled very badly, in fact the legal side of the t&c's in whooly at best and to my untrained eye at least, it looks like you just copied and pasted someone elses with no regard to jurisdictions etc, now you can carry on like this and lose EF's long term member base (the big posters) and make you investment worthless, make no mistake people will just go elsewhere, there are lots of IT bods on here who can easily setup another forum in the spirit of the founder.
Or you can actually LISTEN (as in stop ignoring and hope it all blows over) to the people that make the forum, and your investment, what it is.

Your call

[mirfield]

	Quote:	.
	But just to be clear - nobody can go around stealing other people's images and text without their permission - copyright or not. That's why we have a policy on the forum not to just copy and paste bits out of other websites. Unfortunately in this day and age people think that just because their computer has a copy and paste function that they can just lift and repost content wherever they want - there should always be some ethics considered...

So... all the big posters leave. Will that matter to the Local?

Of course not: for every long term poster who leaves, there will be 100 eager newcomers to take his place. All the information is still there, pages upon pages of useful stuff in amongst the reams of bilge and drivel. Many of the new members will be experienced expats and immigrants with lots of new stuff to share. The English Forum will go on.

The people who live in Switzerland now are not the same people who lived in Switzerland in 1849, but this country is still recognisably, uniquely Switzerland.

I understand the legal concerns, especially of those who have contributed actual substance to the English Forum over the last six years, but let's not kid ourselves that we are, in any way, important to the forum's survival, because we're not.

None of us is indispensible, and the Local knows that.

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	Editor Bob, Not being funny here, but the local seems to be a small company trying to play with the big boys, what you seem to fail to realise is that unlike huge specialist forum sites that have broad appeal (eg cars, football etc) english speakers in switzerland is a tiny market, you really need to think where you want to go with this, the 'news' stories are a waste of time, changing t&c's has been handled very badly, in fact the legal side of the t&c's in whooly at best and to my untrained eye at least, it looks like you just copied and pasted someone elses with no regard to jurisdictions etc, now you can carry on like this and lose EF's long term member base (the big posters) and make you investment worthless, make no mistake people will just go elsewhere, there are lots of IT bods on here who can easily setup another forum in the spirit of the founder. Or you can actually LISTEN (as in stop ignoring and hope it all blows over) to the people that make the forum, and your investment, what it is. Your call

What element of the Forum do you feel will be effected by the change in the T&Cs? Will some Members perhaps think twice before posting personal information on the internet?

Once this site went commercial we all had the opportunity to assess whether we were happy to continue contributing for the original purpose of helping each other, but under the roof of The Local. Or logging off in disappointment.

A few people left and one long standing member put his money where his mouth was. Good for them [some are sorely missed in their, er, original guises]. Nobody is bigger than the Forum itself, and since several flounced there's been no collapse. The opposite, in fact.

Clunky communication from Stockholm aside, is there a reason more people frequent this site than any of the other English language sites?

There seems to be great focus on the letter of the law at the expense of the spirit / current reality of the law. I for one couldn't give a CtrlAltFlnce for the T&Cs. Little changes apart from some users demanding Mods delete a post or photo they once uploaded and have changed their minds as to the wisdom of having done so, ie, more work for Mods with very little benefit for the Forum as a whole. [Dear all, please be patient with your requests. And everything you publish online is there forever ever].

[bigblue2]

	Quote:
	So... all the big posters leave. Will that matter to the Local? Of course not: for every long term poster who leaves, there will be 100 eager newcomers to take his place. All the information is still there, pages upon pages of useful stuff in amongst the reams of bilge and drivel. Many of the new members will be experienced expats and immigrants with lots of new stuff to share. The English Forum will go on. The people who live in Switzerland now are not the same people who lived in Switzerland in 1849, but this country is still recognisably, uniquely Switzerland. I understand the legal concerns, especially of those who have contributed actual substance to the English Forum over the last six years, but let's not kid ourselves that we are, in any way, important to the forum's survival, because we're not. None of us is indispensible, and the Local knows that.

it matters to advertisers, as so it matters to the local, its all about site hits. the list of companies that bought popular site only to ruin them and lose all there users and money is almost endless, myspace being a very recent example

[dino]

	Quote:	Deep Purple
	Hopefully, The Local will one day realise that EF is much more than a financial commodity.

thank you ... I needed a laugh today

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	What element of the Forum do you feel will be effected by the change in the T&Cs? Will some Members perhaps think twice before posting personal information on the internet? Once this site went commercial we all had the opportunity to assess whether we were happy to continue contributing for the original purpose of helping each other, but under the roof of The Local. Or logging off in disappointment. A few people left and one long standing member put his money where his mouth was. Good for them [some are sorely missed in their, er, original guises]. Nobody is bigger than the Forum itself, and since several flounced there's been no collapse. The opposite, in fact. Clunky communication from Stockholm aside, is there a reason more people frequent this site than any of the other English language sites? There seems to be great focus on the letter of the law at the expense of the spirit / current reality of the law. I for one couldn't give a CtrlAltFlnce for the T&Cs. Little changes apart from some users demanding Mods delete a post or photo they once uploaded and have changed their minds as to the wisdom of having done so, ie, more work for Mods with very little benefit for the Forum as a whole. [Dear all, please be patient with your requests. And everything you publish online is there forever ever].

Personally I have no issues with the t&c's, but I have not posted photo's that are worth anything, or any witty saleable stories, or organised commercial events etc etc in short nothing that I couldn't care less about losing, but others have.
And I really don't think it really about the t&c's, its about how the new owners are treating people in general, swoop in, make unpopular changes, swoop out and ignore everyones concerns (yes editor bob I'm looking at you)

sure change the t&c's, but give fair notice and you can't change them retrospectively, and give people a one hit button that deletes them totally if thats what they want (posts, pictures, the works)

The attitude of the owner, editor bob, and some of the mods has been arrogant in the extreme, and thats what pisses people off.

[Kittster]

UM must be really ragged at the edges, I don't remember him making spelling mistakes before.

But I am amused that we have the same "either take it as it is or leave" thing going on that many people criticise about Switzerland.

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	So... all the big posters divas leave. Will that matter to the Local?

Fixed that for you..

[Phil_MCR]

while we are on the subject, i would like to point out the important changes in the T&Cs relating to my posts and threads. please see sig for more details.

	Quote:	bigblue2
	...to my untrained eye at least, it looks like you just copied and pasted someone elses ...

Ah. That is quite likely, now that you mention it.

Would be supremely ironic if true!

	Quote:	economisto
	And don't say they've "been ignored". We're on day two of a weekend.

So what am I supposed to think after two working days and still no email? Are they ignorant, stupid, or something else?

	Quote:	ARandomUsername
	So what am I supposed to think after two working days and still no email? Are they ignorant, stupid, or something else?

Quite frankly, my dear, they don't give a damn.

Oh, I'd gathered that already. But I wasn't allowed to say emails were being ignored before. I just wanted to make it clear to others what kind of people they're dealing with.

[ximix]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	while we are on the subject, i would like to point out the important changes in the T&Cs relating to my posts and threads. please see sig for more details. __________________ By replying to this post, you hereby grant Phil_MCR a royalty-free license to use, in any way, anything posted by you on the internet. If you do not accept, please delete all replies to my posts.

Hey, you missed out the part about indemnifying you for ever more in your signature!