List of the self-deleted - Page 6

Deep Purple · #**101** 03.10.2011, 16:18

	Quote:	Tilia
	C'mon the Local, you didn't really think this one through, did you?

	Quote:	Caviarchips
	Castro - and your modular mates......I think it is clear to everybody on here that this whole sh*tstorm started way above your (non-existent) paygrade and you are trying to muddle through it as best you can. I - and I'm sure most of us - appreciate that hugely. It might be an idea - when you have got your heads around it in 24/48 hours - to prepare a post on what it really means to the Forum and containing little nuggets like the one posted above. Just one place to have a "this is what it means to the way we will run it / operate it" thread. Not that I wish to pander to the drama queens and serial over-reactors who lives are clearly so perfect that this is the only space left for a hissyfit, but a calm and realistic summary from you, as guys we trust, might be better than the defensive reactions of EB and the predictable responses it draws.

It would have been wonderful if The Local had planned things and provided an outline of the changes beforehand.

#**102** 03.10.2011, 16:19

	Quote:	Kamarate
	what if my OH wanted his own account? He wouldn't be able to post from our home?

You might just get an email asking for a clarification of the situation, in which case you'd explain that he is your OH and all would be hunky dory.

Tilia · #**103** 03.10.2011, 16:19

My point exactly! I very much doubt that the Local actually have the intent to delete anyone that has been a member, deletes his account and creates a new account. Swedes are usually not stupid ;-)

So Castro and other Mods claiming that this would be against the rules and you will delete any new account created from the same computer/MAC address/IP number/whatever, could you please tell us exactly where this rule is to be found?

	Quote:	Chuff
	When you reregister for a new account you can choose to legally accept the new T&C's, so that makes your post a tad redundant. Seriously, all this talk of a "one way strreet" is silly. If you delete your account and reregister then that is NOT a dupe account, and not against the rules. In fact I see nothing about deleting your account fully and then reregistering which would be in any way against the rule of the forum.

Caviarchips · #**104** 03.10.2011, 16:20

	Quote:
	Scaphism is pretty draconian. Banning someone who deleted her account in a huff then logged back under a new name the very next day is just, well, not that big a deal, really.

*googling "scaphism"...shit.....don't like their T&Cs....just remembered. Try Bing. Bllx...same story. Remembers books.....runs to get dictionary*

*changes to educated voice*

Well......its not as bad as scaphism, I grant you

No, I agree....not a big deal. But we need to understand that our passionate and hotblooded European neighbours sometimes act in ways that we cool, reserved English wouldn't. And when they come back and say sorry.....I think its tough to slam a door, that's all.

#**105** 03.10.2011, 16:20

	Quote:	tom tulpe
	The protest is not about the new T&Cs, but about the way they were introduced and about the claim that "nothing has changed". Someone else said this before, the move from a fluffy bunny forum kept up by donations to bog-standard "we want to make loadsamoney off you and don't really care how, like everybody else" takes some time to digest.

How would you know? You only joined in July 2011, didn't you?

Come out, come out, wherever you are!

Castro · #**106** 03.10.2011, 16:21

	Quote:	Chuff
	When you reregister for a new account you can choose to legally accept the new T&C's, so that makes your post a tad redundant. Seriously, all this talk of a "one way strreet" is silly. If you delete your account and reregister then that is NOT a dupe account, and not against the rules. In fact I see nothing about deleting your account fully and then reregistering which would be in any way against the rule of the forum.

So you can come on EF, be an obnoxious, racist t***, collect a slew of bad rep and then delete your account and start over? (And yes before you ask, the history of EF is littered with such trolls

)

Anyway, a member has already self-deleted, tried to re-join and has now been banned, so the precedent has been set. That decision may later be over-ruled by our Admin, but what I'm saying is that you shouldn't count on it.

nic80 · #**107** 03.10.2011, 16:21

	Quote:	Castro
	Just a polite note, if you self-delete you should consider that a permenant move and any attempt to re-join EF will be met with an instant ban. The reason the self-delete option is there is to signal your non-agreement with the new T&C, therefore its a one way street.

Shouldn't that have been included in the fine print on the email?

NotAllThere · #**108** 03.10.2011, 16:22

	Quote:	Castro
	Just a polite note, if you self-delete you should consider that a permenant move and any attempt to re-join EF will be met with an instant ban. The reason the self-delete option is there is to signal your non-agreement with the new T&C, therefore its a one way street.

I see. So it's impossible to change your mind.

Totally bonkers.

That's up there with "you can't publish private messages you wrote, because they're private messages". Meanwhile the rest of the online human race understand the difference between private and secret.

And I thought I was Not All There.

#**109** 03.10.2011, 16:23

	Quote:	Castro
	Just a polite note, if you self-delete you should consider that a permenant move and any attempt to re-join EF will be met with an instant ban. The reason the self-delete option is there is to signal your non-agreement with the new T&C, therefore its a one way street.

What about summerrain

Ouchboy · #**110** 03.10.2011, 16:24

	Quote:
	How would you know? You only joined in July 2011, didn't you? Come out, come out, wherever you are!

well people DO here stories at events... specially when UC.

tom tulpe · #**111** 03.10.2011, 16:24

	Quote:	Castro
	So you can come on EF, be an obnoxious, racist t***, collect a slew of bad rep and then delete your account and start over? (And yes before you ask, the history of EF is littered with such trolls ) Anyway, a member has already self-deleted, tried to re-join and has now been banned, so the precedent has been set. That decision may later be over-ruled by our Admin, but what I'm saying is that you shouldn't count on it.

So self-deletion and re-joining is the same as being "an obnoxious, racist t***, collect a slew of bad rep"? It's not like SwissAstrid was any of the above, she has seen the error of her ways, and accepted the new T&C's by re-registering (!). In a word: not quite the Flanders Pigeon Murderer, so why was she shot pour encourager les autres?

Tilia · #**112** 03.10.2011, 16:24

Set by whom?? The mods, the admin or the Local? Why would a business enterprise like the Locals decide on something so stupid? They want members which gives ad-sales. To introduce such a rule would be an absolute "own goal".

	Quote:	Castro
	Anyway, a member has already self-deleted, tried to re-join and has now been banned, so the precedent has been set.

Helm · #**113** 03.10.2011, 16:24

I don't get it...

From what I am reading now, if one person decides she/he does not agree with the new rules and decides to cancel her/his account, she/he is not allowed to come back later when he redeems that she/he can live with the new rules afterall, even though she/he has not broken any rules?

Are we back to the XVIII century, where once decapitated you can't change your head mind?

NotAllThere · #**114** 03.10.2011, 16:25

Oh no. It's a precedent! We can't change it now, because then we'd have to be big enough to admit we'd made a mistake!

tom tulpe · #**115** 03.10.2011, 16:25

	Quote:
	How would you know? You only joined in July 2011, didn't you? Come out, come out, wherever you are!

Not all of EF has gone down the memory hole yet.

Ouchboy · #**116** 03.10.2011, 16:26

It's a weird day when I completely agree with NotAllThere.. txs for that T&C

Chuff · #**117** 03.10.2011, 16:27

	Quote:	Castro
	So you can come on EF, be an obnoxious, racist t***, collect a slew of bad rep and then delete your account and start over? (And yes before you ask, the history of EF is littered with such trolls ) Anyway, a member has already self-deleted, tried to re-join and has now been banned, so the precedent has been set. That decision may later be over-ruled by our Admin, but what I'm saying is that you shouldn't count on it.

Sorry Castro, but that is silly logic. A troll can reregister with a new account anyway under the current system anyway. I'd make sure the uppers at The Local are aware of this before you go enforcing it too zealously.

Tilia · #**118** 03.10.2011, 16:27

Of course it should! And since it seems to not have been, I am sure this was not the intent of the Local. Seems to me that it is an interpretation of some mods really.

If I were SwissAstrid or Summerain I would contact the Local directly and ask them if they are aware that the current mods are blocking future members.

	Quote:	nic80
	Shouldn't that have been included in the fine print on the email?

NotAllThere · #**119** 03.10.2011, 16:28

	Quote:	Ouchboy
	It's a weird day when I completely agree with NotAllThere.. txs for that T&C

No it isn't.

Castro · #**120** 03.10.2011, 16:32

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Oh no. It's a precedent! We can't change it now, because then we'd have to be big enough to admit we'd made a mistake!

I did state that the Admin (i.e. The Local) may over rule, precedent or no precedent. However for the time being, the Mods are having to use their own judgement (however flawed that may seem to you).