List of the self-deleted - Page 7

mimi1981 · #**121** 03.10.2011, 16:32

It's very unusual that I disagree with Castro, so methinks this is not what he wants but may have been dictated to him from "above"?

Don't shoot the messenger peeps.

At least that's what I hope

Upthehatters2008 · #**122** 03.10.2011, 16:35

Instant bans must be based on email addresses... Not too sure you could accurately insta-ban on any other criteria. Time to get a new email address ?

Tilia · #**123** 03.10.2011, 16:36

So you are confirming that this current presedence has been set and decided on by the mods rather than by the Admin and The Local. Correct?

	Quote:	Castro
	I did state that the Admin (i.e. The Local) may over rule, precedent or no precedent. However for the time being, the Mods are having to use their own judgement (however flawed that may seem to you).

Deep Purple · #**124** 03.10.2011, 16:37

There is a difference between reregistering as a new user and reinstating a deleted account.

I guess that the mods don't want to get into a long list of reconstructing deleted accounts just because people had a bit of a flounce.

If there has been a genuine error, such as Summerain, I am sure there is a way round it.

If someone created a new account with a new name after deleting their original one, and follows EF guidelines, I doubt if they would be in trouble.

MusicChick · #**125** 03.10.2011, 16:37

	Quote:
	You might just get an email asking for a clarification of the situation, in which case you'd explain that he is your OH and all would be hunky dory.

Nah, she does not have to, now we know

...he exists, I concur.

#**126** 03.10.2011, 16:37

	Quote:	Castro
	Just a polite note, if you self-delete you should consider that a permenant move and any attempt to re-join EF will be met with an instant ban. The reason the self-delete option is there is to signal your non-agreement with the new T&C, therefore its a one way street.

But perhaps someone might be perfectly happy to accept the new T&Cs going forward, but unwilling to have them applied retrospectively to one's previous material/contributions/etc.

Which - to me, at least - actually sounds like a perfectly reasonable, rational thing for someone to want to do. And to not be able so to do, could very easily be (mis?)interpreted as a rather immature "corporate flounce" on the part of EF/The_Local "management".

TBH, the whole thing seems to have been one big ill-conceived, ill-considered, ill-communicated, ill-executed, b*llsup by The Local "management". Will this be different in future? I very much doubt it. Am I that bothered by that? No, not really; I've seen enough incompetent "management" in enough places over the years to just laugh, shrug and go off for a coffee. Will I flounce? No, but I will probably just wander off and spend a lot more time in other fora where there's hugely less dicking around by the "management"...

grynch · #**127** 03.10.2011, 16:37

I think what most of us here are saying is that we do not disagree with the T&A or T&C or whatever they are ( I still havent seen it ) but the manner in which they were presented was a piece of sh*te.

no pre-notice ( ok, yes yes I know.. private company, yada yada )
and when the "tick box" was noticed and brought to attention it was dismissed more or less as nothing and we'll be informed about it at some point.

bad show chaps.

mirfield · #**128** 03.10.2011, 16:38

	Quote:	Tilia
	Seems to me that it is an interpretation of some mods really.

I'm putting my neck out here to defend the mods based on zero evidence.

My guess is that before the mails went out, one of them asked EB (or whoever) if members were allowed to re-register and were given a quick reply of "no", without really thinking about the EF flouncability factor.

Once that indication has been given then the mods have no choice until given the go-ahead to change by whoever it was that made the decision.

If it takes a day or so to sort out, then it's not the end of the world.

If it is just the mods being tight, then this might be the second time in my life that I've been wrong.

E.T.A.

Quote:

Castro

I did state that the Admin (i.e. The Local) may over rule, precedent or no precedent. However for the time being, the Mods are having to use their own judgement (however flawed that may seem to you).

Oh bugger

Ouchboy · #**129** 03.10.2011, 16:38

	Quote:	weejeem
	But perhaps someone might be perfectly happy to accept the new T&Cs going forward, but unwilling to have them applied retrospectively to one's previous material/contributions/etc. Which - to me, at least - actually sounds like a perfectly reasonable, rational thing for someone to want to do. And could very easily be "(mis) interpreted as a rather immature "corporate flounce" on the part of EF/The_Local "management". TBH, the whole thing seems to have been one big ill-conceived, ill-considered, ill-communicated, ill-executed, b*llsup by The Local "management". Will this be different in future? I very much doubt it. Am I that bothered by that? No, not really; I've seen enough incompetent "management" in enough places over the years to just laugh, shrug and go off for a coffee. Will I flounce? No, but I will probably just wander off and spend a lot more time in other fora where there's hugely less dicking around by the "management"...

Shakespeare himself could not have said it better

mimi1981 · #**130** 03.10.2011, 16:40

	Quote:	mirfield
	If it is just the mods being tight, then this might be the second time in my life that I've been wrong.

And the first one was?........

Just because I deleted SR does not mean you should call me a mistake

adrianlondon · #**131** 03.10.2011, 16:40

	Quote:	Ouchboy
	Shakespeare himself could not have said it better

Is this all from Much Ado About Nothing?

Tilia · #**132** 03.10.2011, 16:40

That's what I would have thought but reading some comments from Mods here, they seem to be very set on deleting any new account applied for from same computer/whatever. I.e. they would never have the possibility to follow EF guidelines because they would be banned before they were even allowed to enter.

	Quote:	Deep Purple
	If someone created a new account with a new name after deleting their original one, and follows EF guidelines, I doubt if they would be in trouble.

MusicChick · #**133** 03.10.2011, 16:43

	Quote:	mirfield
	My guess is that before the mails went out.. .

Bah, we wish...Even more time tight. And not EB's fault, either, just in case people are looking for some scapegoat of sorts.

We will deal.

Castro · #**134** 03.10.2011, 16:46

	Quote:	weejeem
	But perhaps someone might be perfectly happy to accept the new T&Cs going forward, but unwilling to have them applied retrospectively to one's previous material/contributions/etc. Which - to me, at least - actually sounds like a perfectly reasonable, rational thing for someone to want to do. And to not be able so to do, could very easily be (mis?)interpreted as a rather immature "corporate flounce" on the part of EF/The_Local "management".

Fair enough, but you have until the 27th October before the new terms take effect, so why delete yourself and then re-join under the current/old terms

?

dodgyken · #**135** 03.10.2011, 16:46

The silver lining to this cloud is that all new accounts will be heavily scrutinized to see whether they are duplicates - this will mean far fewer spam/troll accounts - probably.

grynch · #**136** 03.10.2011, 16:49

	Quote:	Castro
	Fair enough, but you have until the 27th October before the new terms take effect, so why delete yourself and then re-join under the current/old terms ?

because we've been told that we can't rejoin after deleting

are you now saying we can? will ED. Bob support that?

Tilia · #**137** 03.10.2011, 16:49

That's a non-issue, no? Since you have already told us you (the mods?) have made a precedence and no re-joining is allowed.

	Quote:	Castro
	so why delete yourself and then re-join under the current/old terms ?

tom tulpe · #**138** 03.10.2011, 16:49

	Quote:	Castro
	Fair enough, but you have until the 27th October before the new terms take effect, so why delete yourself and then re-join under the current/old terms ?

So everyone is free to rejoin on 27 Oct 2011 then?

tom tulpe · #**139** 03.10.2011, 16:50

	Quote:	Tilia
	That's a non-issue, no? Since you have already told us you (the mods?) have made a precedence and no re-joining is allowed.

I think he should be allowed a fighting retreat to the fort.

Ouchboy · #**140** 03.10.2011, 16:51

	Quote:	Castro
	Fair enough, but you have until the 27th October before the new terms take effect, so why delete yourself and then re-join under the current/old terms ?

If he is aware of his postings, he can do it predate. He is still not violating anything.
If any problem, then ban him until after the 27th