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Absolutely, my finger is on the button 7 5.47%
I'm seriously considering it. I've one foot out the door. 23 17.97%
Considering it, but I've friends here and I don't want to lose contact with them 19 14.84%
Not at all, it's all a storm in a teacup. I'm here to stay 79 61.72%
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Old 08.10.2011, 22:06
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What has annoyed me most is (Have I correctly understood the situation) that the terms and conditions will be applied to all the EF content retrospectively.

If the new terms were only applied to any new material it would be fair enough.

I have asked for all my old posts to be deleted - no reply.

I have asked for the new T&C to be only applied after 27 October, no reply.

I will be cancelling my membership before 27.10.2011
Did you consider a PM session with a sympathetic Mod to see if it is possible to do something about the historic posts that concern you? I imagine that only a handful contain material about which you are seriously worried about causing an issue with the new T&Cs.

Negotiating and confronting so publically will always make it difficult as nobody wants to back down and lead to an unravelling of the whole thing, but your selfless info providing service has, IMO, earned you sufficient brownie points for one of the Mods to quietly disappear a handful of sensitive posts.
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Old 08.10.2011, 23:00
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Re: How seriously are you considering departing EF permanently?

It's not even a matter of 'brownie points'. If anyone, newbie or veteran, has grave reasons for needing a post edited/removed, we're here.

We don't roll over for timewasters - if people don't realize by now the Internet is public they probably shouldn't be on it - but serious concerns will be taken seriously.
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Old 09.10.2011, 11:09
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I agree with Nev when he wrote " the Mods do a grand job" and I would need to see some of our mods leave because they don't agree with the Local's involvement but at the moment, I guess, we are waiting to see what will happen, if anything..
I thought about this for a while, also coz I have always given and give lot of credit to your contribution here...

Agreeing or disagreeing with the owner's involvement is one thing. But me doing my work well and judging how well I can do it, with how much support from the owners I actually need for it is another.

I have been employed or self-employed over 18 years, member of all sorts of communities and went through a huge political change at home, one thing I learned over the years: quitting and leaving has hardly ever achieved a positive impact I would like to have on a community I care about. I can't speak for others, but just myself.

Although this is not an employment per se, but still an honorable role to take care of a community and a place I have been a part for quite a while, have seen people walk away and new ones come, old ones come back to carry on positive vibe..It never gets lost on anything.

Coming from a small country, too, where people have to adjust and move on fast, it may be easier for me to see, that owners have their rights and rules for sure since it is them providing the platform, but how much we let the community disintegrate, how much cohesion and friendship, mutual help and contributions we will give it, is entirely up to us.

If somebody's moral code pushes for quitting, I understand. I watched emigrants leave my home in seriously rough times to exile for better tomorrows and ditching all, and always knew it is a personal choice.

To actually get up, quit and leave, coz of some technicalities that obviously went wrong, which in my opinion still can be fixed, explained and understood - my heart is pretty far from that idea.
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Old 09.10.2011, 12:23
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Re: How seriously are you considering departing EF permanently?

To be honest,

Yes, I am not a fan of The Local, I am certainly not a fan of Editor Bob's behavior and smart ass answers.

BUT this forum may be owned by The Local, it still our forum. We are the one who make contributions, we are the one who live here (well, not me, not anymore ) and we are the one who help each other, care of each other and make this forum one of the best like I never saw before.

Do you remember how strong our feelings were, how emotionally connected we were with each other when our dear friend Begga left us? THIS is the forum, this is us, between us.

Who cares about The Local? Who cares about their stupid way to handle announcement? What is really important is what we are for each other and what we bring into this forum.

Everyone of us made great contributions to this forum with the objectifs to help, support, contribute to make our life as an expat in Swirtzerland a better experience.

Could we keep focussing on this instead to some stupids poor judgments from the owner?

I love this forum for its people. This is the only thing that really matter.
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Old 09.10.2011, 13:01
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... Editor Bob's behavior and smart ass answers.
That's why I like him :)
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Old 11.10.2011, 14:28
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Re: How seriously are you considering departing EF permanently?

It has nothing to do with how important or embarassing one considers ones posts to be.

The Terms of Use clearly state:

"This license will come to an end at the time you remove such Contents from the Services and upon your notification to THE LOCAL."

I want to "end the license" with The Local.
So:
How do I remove my Contents from the Services?

I am getting no replies from Editor Bob nor from support at The Local.

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Old 11.10.2011, 15:12
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It has nothing to do with how important or embarassing one considers ones posts to be.

The Terms of Use clearly state:

"This license will come to an end at the time you remove such Contents from the Services and upon your notification to THE LOCAL."

I want to "end the license" with The Local.
So:
How do I remove my Contents from the Services?

I am getting no replies from Editor Bob nor from support at The Local.
As it has been explained to you, you can close your account but your posts will remain in the forum. If you do have specifics concerns about specifics posts, contact a mod.

You can't erase you posts, and thank goodness for that. Otherwise threads will be completely disrupted and it won't make any sens.
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Old 11.10.2011, 15:21
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Re: How seriously are you considering departing EF permanently?

I guess asking a mod to ban you forever
is way quicker than to get that email sent to you to close your account.

Some who didn't get that email, like myself, need probably also to tick the box in control panel
which allows to receive emails sent from mods and the likes.
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Old 11.10.2011, 16:09
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I guess asking a mod to ban you forever
is way quicker than to get that email sent to you to close your account.
Why take your own head shot? Just walk away and leave the EF account dormant; you know you'll miss the love and affection here anyway.....
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Old 11.10.2011, 16:39
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Why take your own head shot? Just walk away and leave the EF account dormant; you know you'll miss the love and affection here anyway.....
so true. especially those "I hate you too" affections ... sigh ...
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Old 11.10.2011, 16:51
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As it has been explained to you, you can close your account but your posts will remain in the forum. If you do have specifics concerns about specifics posts, contact a mod.

You can't erase you posts, and thank goodness for that. Otherwise threads will be completely disrupted and it won't make any sens.
I repeat: it has nothing to do with specific posts.
It has to do with complying with the requirements of the Terms of Use.
If they are not valid, I would like to hear it from The Local.
It cannot be that difficult for them to post an amendment.
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Old 11.10.2011, 17:35
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Re: How seriously are you considering departing EF permanently?

Can I repeat a question asked previously, by much wiser EF members than myself: why do the mods, who clearly weren't involved in creating the new T&C's have to be the spokepeople for The Local? Why can't an employee from the Local (Ed Bob springs to mind) answer these questions?

I'm not goadin here, just asking.
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Old 11.10.2011, 17:42
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I repeat: it has nothing to do with specific posts.
It has to do with complying with the requirements of the Terms of Use.
If they are not valid, I would like to hear it from The Local.
It cannot be that difficult for them to post an amendment.
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Can I repeat a question asked previously, by much wiser EF members than myself: why do the mods, who clearly weren't involved in creating the new T&C's have to be the spokepeople for The Local? Why can't an employee from the Local (Ed Bob springs to mind) answer these questions?

I'm not goadin here, just asking.
They did reply, didn't they?

I think that they gave their clear reasons - but are (wisely IMO) avoiding public arguments. Given that it is a commercial operation, I think that them coming here and participating in debates which they are unlikely to win would be a little like them pooing on their own doorstep.

Its a little while since they posted the T&Cs and, Resident, you are still posting. Maybe they figure that you have made your choice?
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Old 11.10.2011, 17:57
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As it has been explained to you, you can close your account but your posts will remain in the forum. If you do have specifics concerns about specifics posts, contact a mod.

You can't erase you posts, and thank goodness for that. Otherwise threads will be completely disrupted and it won't make any sens.
Nil. The new T&C's clearly state that we as users can cancel our agreement with the Local when we remove the said contents, our posts and notify them. But no-one is explaining how this can be done, Mods have just come back to say we can't remove our posts. So who is correct? If it is a mistake in the T&C's, why don't the local amend them and apologise for the misleading info (sorry, I needed a chuckle )
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Old 11.10.2011, 18:00
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.......... why don't the local amend them and apologise for the misleading info (sorry, I needed a chuckle )

anyone for a "holding your breath" competition?
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Old 11.10.2011, 18:26
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Given that it is a commercial operation, I think that them coming here and participating in debates which they are unlikely to win would be a little like them pooing on their own doorstep.
I expect them to issue one single globaly visible correction/amendment, not a public debate.

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Its a little while since they posted the T&Cs and, Resident, you are still posting.
If I close my account now by clicking on the link I am by implication saying I have read and agreed to the T&C. I (and others) need clarification before the 27th.

I have been given to understand that once out, I cannot get back in. Not good.

By the way, it is possible to read much of the forum (eg. events) without being a member. So closing my account will be inconvenient but not more.
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Re: How seriously are you considering departing EF permanently?

Am preparing a snail-mail post to The Local, Sweden.

I have tried all other channels, without success.

I will report any response here.
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Old 11.10.2011, 18:31
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anyone for a "holding your breath" competition?
You mean that's not a usual part of your foreplay routine....?
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Anyway, where is everybody ... this place looks quite deserted all of a sudden!
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Old 11.10.2011, 18:58
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Anyway, where is everybody ... this place looks quite deserted all of a sudden!
End of work day. Nothing unusual.
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