How seriously are you considering departing EF permanently?

[ecb]

Are emails still being sent? I still haven`t got mine, and being someone with a modicum of legal expertise (only a modicum mind you) I was rather looking forward to reading them with my cocoa one evening

[MathNut]

	Quote:	ecb
	Are emails still being sent? I still haven`t got mine, and being someone with a modicum of legal expertise (only a modicum mind you) I was rather looking forward to reading them with my cocoa one evening

As far as I know they've all been sent - obviously quite a few went astray though. Don't know if there are plans to resend them, or not, or what. (I think it's fair to say that we mods are not getting quite the level of communication we'd like on this either.)

At any rate, here are the T&Cs for your cocoa-drinking pleasure. They can also be accessed via the 'Imprint' link at the very bottom of each forum page.

If you want a copy of the email itself, there's one floating around on one of these threads (summerrain posted it, so maybe check back through her recent posts.)

[Sky]

just don't click any where

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	nickatbasel
	I probably won't delete my account - as tempting as it is to do so - but I can see myself contributing less and visiting less. For me, EF was always a social network without all the anti-privacy cr.p of Facebook. Now I really can't see the difference. Cheers, Nick

I don't buy the 'legal' grounds for people feeling deluded with the Forum. I think people are just fed up with the noise and the dumbing down.

[summerrain]

	Quote:	MathNut
	If you want a copy of the email itself, there's one floating around on one of these threads (summerrain posted it, so maybe check back through her recent posts.)

MN! I am surprised at you.

Naughty!!!

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	summerrain
	MN! I am surprised at you. Naughty!!!

*chuckles*...

That's true. Do not be interested in that link, actually. Please.

[grumpygrapefruit]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	I don't buy the 'legal' grounds for people feeling deluded with the Forum. I think people are just fed up with the noise and the dumbing down.

I have to disagree with you here Uncle. I actually like EF for the banter (although I appreciate it must increase your work here).

But I and many I have spoken to in real life though are just fed up with EF because we do not trust The Local anymore.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	I have to disagree with you here Uncle. I actually like EF for the banter (although I appreciate it must increase your work here). But I and many I have spoken to in real life though are just fed up with EF because we do not trust The Local anymore.

Banter is fun, doesn't phase me either if we do keep a decent level of emergency help to people who need it, so I am with you on that.

What strikes me weird, though, about all this intense reaction, is the fact Local did fog things out for us, fast moves, not enough info, throwing mods to swim and figure out ourselves, but....honestly, the only thing was weird timing and spastic send outs, since they could have done it years back when they bought us or pace it, and better communication, PRing, etc. While we cut newbies a slack for not knowing how to maneuvre netiquette, why not cut a slack to owners who (for whatever reason, personel change, synchronization of all the forums, not enough staff to maintain decent level of info flow, whatever) have done things in a complicated way, rather than easy and professionally, and 3 years late..

I do get the mistrust, don't get me wrong. But I always thought this is about us, not about who owns us. And I see us, as decently tight community, cooperative and being able to help eachother to actually understand what is going on...not that we always know, on the other side of the fence where we are often pushed to.

[ceppych]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	I have to disagree with you here Uncle. I actually like EF for the banter (although I appreciate it must increase your work here). But I and many I have spoken to in real life though are just fed up with EF because we do not trust The Local anymore.

I like the banter too, but not when it turns into a childish squabble with just a couple of EFers each desperate to have the last word, and going on and on and on grinding their axes
They should arrange a personal get-together with a couple of water-pistols at dawn.

What has annoyed me most is (Have I correctly understood the situation) that the terms and conditions will be applied to all the EF content retrospectively.

If the new terms were only applied to any new material it would be fair enough.

I have asked for all my old posts to be deleted - no reply.

I have asked for the new T&C to be only applied after 27 October, no reply.

I will be cancelling my membership before 27.10.2011

[ceppych]

	Quote:	Ittigen
	What has annoyed me most is (Have I correctly understood the situation) that the terms and conditions will be applied to all the EF content retrospectively. If the new terms were only applied to any new material it would be fair enough. I have asked for all my old posts to be deleted - no reply. I have asked for the new T&C to be only applied after 27 October, no reply. I will be cancelling my membership before 27.10.2011

I am sad about that and will really miss you.
Please reconsider

[Nil]

Yes Ittigen,

You are a valuable member with lots of great contributions. It would be very sad if you do leave.

[nickatbasel]

You are right - there are other factors. However this recent episode will be a final straw for a lot of people.

There's an article somewhere about the lifecycle of online communities. I'll post a link when I can be bothered to Google for it.

Cheers,
Nick

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	I don't buy the 'legal' grounds for people feeling deluded with the Forum. I think people are just fed up with the noise and the dumbing down.

[olygirl]

It's my feeling that there needs to be a viable alternative before EF begins its death spiral. However, I know of none so I'll be here for awhile.

I love the Odeon to bits, but if a pub opened up nearby which sold Pedigree, I'd be there like a shot.

Cheers!

Sometimes I don't know what to think re the changes as I can largely understand most EFers view points especially in this thread. I agree with Nev when he wrote " the Mods do a grand job" and I would need to see some of our mods leave because they don't agree with the Local's involvement but at the moment, I guess, we are waiting to see what will happen, if anything..

I agree too with Nick re FB and I have never been a member - the Forum was my first social internet site and it set a very high standard, nothing compares to it imho.. what comes first here the chicken or the egg: if more long standing quality Efers leave then the site will become even more dumbed down, turn into a chat site and a dusty library of sorts to search through if help is needed with some Swiss related problem..

[desperate]

Why not just put a disclaimer in your profile and under each post, that you retain copy right over all your contributions?

[ceppych]

	Quote:
	I love the Odeon to bits, but if a pub opened up nearby which sold Pedigree, I'd be there like a shot. Cheers!

Dougal has always been partial to his Pedigree Chum but, if you remove half the meat, it won't be up to much....just a weak imitation

[TiMow]

	Quote:
	I love the Odeon to bits, but if a pub opened up nearby which sold Pedigree, I'd be there like a shot.

	Quote:	ceppych
	Dougal has always been partial to his Pedigree Chum but, if you remove half the meat, it won't be up to much....just a weak imitation

I think this old chum prefers Marston's.

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Sometimes I don't know what to think re the changes as I can largely understand most EFers view points especially in this thread. I agree with Nev when he wrote " the Mods do a grand job" and I would need to see some of our mods leave because they don't agree with the Local's involvement but at the moment, I guess, we are waiting to see what will happen, if anything.. I agree too with Nick re FB and I have never been a member - the Forum was my first social internet site and it set a very high standard, nothing compares to it imho.. what comes first here the chicken or the egg: if more long standing quality Efers leave then the site will become even more dumbed down, turn into a chat site and a dusty library of sorts to search through if help is needed with some Swiss related problem..

Mods don't put in many invisible hours just for their own good but also for the good of the English speaking 'community' in Switzerland. Members who contribute - read 'share' - useful info on life in Switzerland don't do it for their own benefit, but the communal benefit which the internet affords: one day someone will post something of use to them, arrange a social event, make life a tiny bit easier.

If precious posts are of such critical value put them in a personal blog instead, although there's no guarantee you won't have your material used as copy pasta elsewhere.

Those that care enough to contribute and share their local knowledge on EF are not going to be any further exploited than (we) already are. You can't trust anybody to ringfence your user generated content. Hello?

To a large extent it's up to the members what they decide to do with this resource regardless of who 'owns' the info but we seem to need reminding this Forum isn't about 'Me Me Me' - that's Facebook's purpose - but 'Us Us Us'.

If you feel you no longer want to contribute to the Forum about life in Switzerland perhaps ask what your expectations were on joining?

As for banter I'm all for it; the place used to have excellent, smart banter. More would be welcome.