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Old 14.10.2011, 23:09
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Why may I not disclose personal contact info in a post?

I have always been curious to know the rationale behind a rule that mods implement with near religious fervour: the one saying PM only, no email/phone/skype id.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to implement this rule when a member willingly (not inadvertently, but fully consciously and while sober ) chooses to share his/her email id? Like it has been about 10 years since my email and phone numbers have been on internet (freely avalbl to public), it didn't cause me any problem, so why does EF have this rule?

I am of course not challenging this rule, just humbly asking to know the reasoning behind this rule

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Old 14.10.2011, 23:13
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Re: Why PM only?

The rules are here:

Phone numbers/email addresses are NOT PERMITTED in this forum

We have received many requests for members to delete posts which have had their email addresses, names, telephone numbers etc. on account of receiving spam, unsolicited calls and so on. These can be exchanged over PM. This site is indexed by Google almost instantaneously.

Other popular boards follow this procedure as well.

If I knew of someone´s email address, I could also use that T&C link to maliciously delete an account.
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Re: Why PM only?

We're protecting your private details, there are bots which harvest email addresses and then they end up on spam lists.
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:20
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We're protecting your private details, there are bots which harvest email addresses and then they end up on spam lists.
Thanks for the response. Harvest from where? Like my email/phone is already freely available on internet, so how does it change if I write it in EF? I am just asking to know (am not a tech geek).

Jrspet: you mean if someone can link my user id to my id they can delete my EF account?
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:21
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If I knew of someone´s email address, I could also use that T&C link to maliciously delete an account.

it requires confirmation to do so…
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Jrspet: you mean if someone can link my user id to my id they can delete my EF account?
Someone who knows your email address may well be able to delete your account.

This is one of several we receive:

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Please help me,

I accidentally wrote this comment, where I should have used a PM. It has my full name and email address. Please help me and delete it.

It does not technically report spam or advertising messages, but I fear if it is left there I will be spammed.

Sorry for any inconvenience and thank you in advance.
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:23
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Re: Why PM only?

Also wanted to know, mods delete people's email from the posts, but do they also have powers to edit someone's signature? Just curious...
Edit: got my answer, but linking to my Hikr account doesn't break the rule, no? I can cite so many people who link to their company websites/blogs etc....
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:24
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Also wanted to know, mods delete people's email from the posts, but do they also have powers to edit someone's signature? Just curious...
I guess you've just found out
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:26
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Also wanted to know, mods delete people's email from the posts, but do they also have powers to edit someone's signature? Just curious...
Edit: got my answer, but linking to my Hikr account doesn't break the rule, no? I can cite so many people who link to their company websites/blogs etc....
Mods have editing rights, and in some instances edit User Profiles ( all such actions are logged for the Admin ) especially in cases where signatures need changing and / on removal, despite having asked them first and receiving no response.
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:28
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Someone who knows your email address may well be able to delete your account.

This is one of several we receive:
That is a personal choice. Like I said, my email/phone number from places I studied last 10 years are on internet, I didn't have a problem with spam. So how will it change if I post it on EF?

Someone who knows my email address can delete my account without knowing the password
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:37
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That is a personal choice.
Yeah, well, many make 'personal choices' and come whinging to us later to rectify the issue, which means less time watching Fashion TV wearing 3D specs and more time spent on unnecessary labour. For the most part Members follow this rule and occassionally they don't - which again means more effort expended on our collective part. We usually edit it out and suggest - in the nicest possible way - that they take private info to PM or email.


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Old 14.10.2011, 23:42
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Re: Why PM only?

Not quite sure what the problem is ... why would you want/need to have your email in a post? If you choose to be reachable from the forum by email, you can allow forum members to email you via a link. Just got such an email this morning.

This rule protects the clueless majority with no harm done to others.
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:48
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Not quite sure what the problem is ... why would you want/need to have your email in a post?
If you choose to be reachable from the forum by email, you can allow forum members to email you via a link. Just got such an email this morning.

This rule protects the clueless majority with no harm done to others.
Personally, no problem for me, I was just curious. Sure it protects the clueless minority, but in most cases it is just a hassle for both sides.

So we crossed 10 posts, I still am not clear what additional problem it causes if I share my email id here, when my email id has already been on internet for 10 years. What about my new signature, is it within the forum rules now?
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Old 14.10.2011, 23:51
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That is a personal choice. Like I said, my email/phone number from places I studied last 10 years are on internet, I didn't have a problem with spam. So how will it change if I post it on EF?
Maybe it's not a problem for you but you'd be surprised how many requests we've gotten in the past by members who were literally in tears when they realized their anonymity had been compromised on the forum by publishing their private details such as phone numbers. We're not talking just spam here, we're talking about things that go much deeper and are much more sinister.

Since it's obviously impossible to have a discussion with each and every member on wether or not they should be posting their private information on an open forum we have an across the board rule of no private details.

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Old 14.10.2011, 23:51
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What about my new signature, is it within the forum rules now?
<Consults rule book> Um I guess so
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Old 15.10.2011, 00:09
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..... I still am not clear what additional problem it causes if I share my email id here......
I am not clear about people voluntarily joining somewhere, claiming to having read and accepted the conditions for joining, then whining why there are rules / conditions.

It seems to me more and more people just simply won't accept other people have agreed to get along with each other by establishing a code of conduct and actually get along with each other precisely because of that code of conduct.

Said people are then baffled because those who adhere frown on those who don't.
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Old 15.10.2011, 00:20
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I am not clear about people voluntarily joining somewhere, claiming to having read and accepted the conditions for joining, then whining why there are rules / conditions.

It seems to me more and more people just simply won't accept other people have agreed to get along with each other by establishing a code of conduct and actually get along with each other precisely because of that code of conduct.

Said people are then baffled because those who adhere frown on those who don't.
There is nothing wrong with questioning a rule, and if said rule proves to be pointless then we can discuss amending it, but so far the OP hasn't really made a convincing case. Again this is in place to protect the privacy of our members.
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Old 15.10.2011, 10:35
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Maybe it's not a problem for you but you'd be surprised how many requests we've gotten in the past by members who were literally in tears when they realized their anonymity had been compromised on the forum by publishing their private details such as phone numbers.
What one also has to remember is that we are not only talking about the here and now. It would by no means be the first time that members have given away 'innocent' information which at the time was of no consequence but later, their situation having changed, they need to have removed to protect themselves or their family. With phone numbers or emails included their situation would have been even more precarious. None of us forsees this as happening to us but one never knows. Better safe than sorry.

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Old 15.10.2011, 22:40
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Re: Why may I not disclose personal contact info in a post?

OK, so the pearls of insight I get from the mod team is, the reasons for this rule are:

1. To protect your identity lest you post something you regret later. Duh, I had already said in the OP this thread was about adult people who post "(not inadvertently, but fully consciously and while sober )".

Anyway the mod wisdom is that it is perfectly fine to post personal photos (hundreds, or thousands of members post their own real photos on their avatars/profile pics); it is OK to use your real name as user name (as do hundreds of users); it is perfectly OK to post external links to your business website etc. and completely reveal your address, email, phone, CV, etc. to the whole world, but... hold your breath... it is NOT OK to post your email id on EF! You can only indirectly post it by linking it to your website because otherwise the bogeyman will eat you (he can't click the external link and get your personal info, you see...

2. As Jrspet was saying, if someone can match your user id and email id, they can delete your account. Holy sh!t!!! Like I am the only one in the world who knows my own password, yet I don't know how to delete my own account, yet the bogeyman who gets my email id will delete my account because he has that magic wand and got nothing better to do

Ah but Reason 2 is irrelevant if you are sharing just a phone number, right, it should only apply to emails? Or I can circumvent it by providing an alternate id? Shhhh...don't think too much and don't ask too much, otherwise bogeyman will get angry


Mods, I really appreciate your sharing your insight into the subject. I am done with this thread now; feel free to close it when you are done too. Thanks and good nite.
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Re: Why may I not disclose personal contact info in a post?

PM me your details and I'll give you some reasons why you shouldn't have
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