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Old 20.10.2011, 09:56
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Really? That was honest (raised in Yorkshire don't you know...).
Yeah, I've heard it's grim up there.
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Old 20.10.2011, 09:56
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I still don't know how to start a good thread...

I corrected that for you


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Old 20.10.2011, 09:58
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@ Fonduella, feel free to move along elsewhere if life on EF is so hard.
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Geez, Carlos. That was harsh. Give her a chance.
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This site is the most un-user friendly site I have ever used.

The instructions are useless - it has taken me over an hour to find this alone.

I would like to post and cannot find any 'new thread' button except for here.

If anybody even bothers to read this perhaps they would be kind enough to give me some basic instructions on how to post something.
I agree it's not the easiest forum to find ones way around in and Carlos was maybe a bit hard on her. However, for a first post that was a bit of a harsh judgement too. Most new users who have trouble posting, are trying to post in the Market Place before they are eligible.
Welcome to the Forum anyway. Things can only get better.
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Old 20.10.2011, 09:58
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Re: Absolutely frustrating ( to use this forum )

Ok, Fonduella, I have to ask: have you ever used a forum before? Or have you only used other styled helping sites, such as mailing lists?

This forum has pretty much the standard forum layout. It is user friendly, but there are way more options in this kind of platform than on facebook, mailing lists and others, because of the different nature of each site. Maybe the quantity of options is overwhelming, but it's quite friendly organized.

In any case, during the registration on this forum, if you read the text presented to you before receiving the confirmation e-mail, everything was quite well explained. Go back and read it again.

1. Click here for the whole list of forum threads (like the Index of a book):

http://www.englishforum.ch/forum.php

2. Click on the "book chapter" Introductions

http://www.englishforum.ch/introductions/

3. On the top you have a big button saying



Which means you can write down your own little chapter.

Can't be easier than that! You can create or simply read each book chapter by going through the same procedure.
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This site is the most un-user friendly site I have ever used.

The instructions are useless - it has taken me over an hour to find this alone.

I would like to post and cannot find any 'new thread' button except for here.

If anybody even bothers to read this perhaps they would be kind enough to give me some basic instructions on how to post something.
Whilst I don't think it's the worst forum site, by a long way, as a long-time USENET user I too find the interfaces generally used on internet forums to be far from ideal or friendly. Visible signs of this are frequent lack of quoting and replying to posts in the wrong part of a thread. This latter is only visible if, like me, you like to use the threaded, or hybrid, view of a thread, which is in itself from from ideal.

But, with just a little but of patience and time, it's not that difficult to get it right. Heh, there's a song in there somewhere...

So while I sympathise with your sentiments, I think you're being _way_ too harsh, and tend, therefore, to echo Carlos's sentiments - if the forum interface isn't for you, then nobody's forcing you to you use it.
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:08
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Re: Absolutely frustrating ( to use this forum )

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Whilst I don't think it's the worst forum site, by a long way, as a long-time USENET user I too find the interfaces generally used on internet forums to be far from ideal or friendly. Visible signs of this are frequent lack of quoting and replying to posts in the wrong part of a thread. This latter is only visible if, like me, you like to use the threaded, or hybrid, view of a thread, which is in itself from from ideal.

But, with just a little but of patience and time, it's not that difficult to get it right. Heh, there's a song in there somewhere...

So while I sympathise with your sentiments, I think you're being _way_ too harsh, and tend, therefore, to echo Carlos's sentiments - if the forum interface isn't for you, then nobody's forcing you to you use it.
that's a problem with the default 'flat' views. unless you enforce threaded view on everyone, people will not be aware of the thread structure which effectively makes it useless.
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:10
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Re: Absolutely frustrating ( to use this forum )

What's a threaded view?
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:11
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This site is the most un-user friendly site I have ever used.

The instructions are useless - it has taken me over an hour to find this alone.

I would like to post and cannot find any 'new thread' button except for here.

If anybody even bothers to read this perhaps they would be kind enough to give me some basic instructions on how to post something.
It's not nearly as frustrating as our sister forum but you'll get used to it. Just give it time. And about the time you're just starting to get used to it and enjoy the forum, some Veteran will start beating you up and calling you names and generally making your life misearable until finally you start fit in and feel more at home with your new Swiss Family Englishforumson.
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:13
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What's a threaded view?
Click top right of first post - Display Modes - you can see who replied to which bit...
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:17
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! You guys actually use that? My eyes got crossed!

I actually find the linear way easier. Guess really depends on each user expectations.
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:19
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Re: Absolutely frustrating ( to use this forum )

Don't know about other members - I think Wolli uses it which is why he doesn't like us merging posts. I didn't say that I use it - I just know where it is and what it looks like.
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:20
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Can´t satisfy everyone. As someone earlier pointed, we are using a standard forum software.

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Don't know about other members - I think Wolli uses it which is why he doesn't like us merging posts. I didn't say that I use it - I just know where it is and what it looks like.
Was actually talking about Phil, who defended the threaded view over linear

Thanks for explaining how to change it though.
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:37
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It doesn't make sense in my woman's mind, that one has to go to a forum first to post a thread. Logically, one should first hit a very visual "start new thread" button, choose a forum and then post.
Oh no, it appears I too have a woman's mind....
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:46
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It doesn't make sense in my woman's mind, that one has to go to a forum first to post a thread. Logically, one should first hit a very visual "start new thread" button, choose a forum and then post.

And that is why iphone is so popular among the ladies. It's simple, logical and can read our minds.
Well, according to the whole book "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus", I am actually a man and not a woman, lack of dangling sexual organs aside, so maybe that explains my hatred to Iphone. But I digress...

Maybe has to do with the way I was taught, but when I was studying, I had little chapters on my notebook regarding different topics of the same discipline. I found it way more logical to open the correct chapter to write my new notes inside the already made place for it, than writing it in a separate paper and then looking for the correct place to archive it. Besides, it also helped me to check first if I had already entered the same thing before, avoiding a duplicate entry...
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Old 20.10.2011, 10:57
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Was actually talking about Phil, who defended the threaded view over linear

Thanks for explaining how to change it though.
not defending either. just that for threaded to work, you have to get everyone to use it. but if you do, you have a much better self organised forum.

a few forums i used to use were threaded, but they were also used by a more tech-savvy crowd.

personally, i prefer flat view with thread splitting, but it makes sense for a moderator to view forum in threaded mode as it is easy to see visually where a thread should be split off into a separate thread and also helps to avoid merging posts willy-nilly.
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Old 20.10.2011, 11:24
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Click top right of first post - Display Modes - you can see who replied to which bit...
i never knew about that either - has it always been there?
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Old 20.10.2011, 11:28
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Re: Absolutely frustrating ( to use this forum )

I think so. For a long time anyway. I don't know how I managed to see it - probably hit it by mistake once, that's the way I discover most interesting things.
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Yeah, I've heard it's grim up there.
Not at all. God's own country.

As we all know, God is an Englishman. Furthermore, he's a Yorkshireman.

Hope that clears up any confusion.
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I think so. For a long time anyway. I don't know how I managed to see it - probably hit it by mistake once, that's the way I discover most interesting things.
I am glad you did not hit "delete forum" button!
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