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Old 23.10.2011, 13:49
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Parts are very expensive (in the UK, I mean). Wouldn't recommend it for that reason, but it's actually quite a nice little car to drive.
I just checked most stuff for most cars comes from http://www.eurocarparts.com

It's way cheaper than anywhere else in Europe, almost everything is in stock all the time.
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Old 23.10.2011, 13:52
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Thanks for the help but I got winter tires at the Ford garage. If I remember correctly it was on the inside.
I would rather not discuss it more here...not the purpose. I am pursuing the legal aspect on other channels but I need to do it right...

no problem, thought I would try and help you avoid the expensive and excessive charges - good luck.
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Old 23.10.2011, 13:52
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I would rather not discuss it more here...not the purpose. I am pursuing the legal aspect on other channels but I need to do it right...
Perhaps you should have pursued your legal action first before placing the details on a public forum.
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Old 23.10.2011, 13:57
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Perhaps you should have pursued your legal action first before placing the details on a public forum.
Switzerland is not high on consumer protection especially used goods from a private buyer, more likely throwing good money after bad.

What does the contract say? did the seller offer you a guarantee?
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I am pursuing the legal aspect on other channels but I need to do it right...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but your legal situation is that you have no recourse against the vendor of the car. Caveat emptor -- the purchaser is entirely responsible for investigating the purchase. Unless the vendor made untrue claims in writing or in some other verifiable way, it's a case of "he said, she said" and you won't be able to prove anything.

For the sake of CHF 2,000 or so of repairs (maximum -- less, if you go somewhere other than the main dealer garage), it's really not worth the time, angst and (not least) expense of pursuing a legal solution when the deck is heavily stacked against you.

By the way, did you get a receipt? And if so, did the vendor include the phrase "sold as is with no warranties" or something similar?

ETA: I see fatmanfilms asked the same question about a warranty, above.
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Old 23.10.2011, 16:13
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Genau that is...you are right!
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Old 23.10.2011, 16:42
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Sorry to sound like a broken record, but one more vote for cavaet emptor. If you don't know a lot about cars, bring someone with you who does. If you didn't bother to check all the paperwork yourself, don't be disappointed when something is not as expected.

There are a lot of accusations on here about the vendor lying. Without knowing the facts, that might not be the case. For example, I've noticed problems with my wife's car that she's never noticed, not because she is lying to me but because for her a car is basically something to get from point A to point B.

Did she notice the slight shimmying when you press on the brake pedal that indicates that the brake discs might be warped? Well yes, after I had pointed it out, but up until then she'd never noticed. If she was selling you her car, she'd tell you (and honestly believe) that there was nothing wrong with it.

As others here have said, legal action is unlikely to be much help. The vendor has left the country; leaving aside the mechanical condition of the car, it seems you were remiss in not checking over the documentation thoroughly; and most courts will say that there's always an element of risk in buying a used car.

You've bought a 6-year old car with 120k on the clock, and a reasonably cheap one. I like buying older cars because I think they offer good value, but I always make sure I leave some room in my budget to take care of repairs, because an older car will always need some. It's a very rare owner indeed who spends money fixing things on his car when he knows he'll be selling it in 6 months -- repairs tend to be of the 'band aid' type rather than the 'proper repair' type.

Sorry you had to learn this lesson the hard way, but chalk it up to experience.
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Old 23.10.2011, 16:54
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Generally buy an old BMW with 150k for peanuts & you will not go wrong, done this twice now at 298k and happy.
Yep! At the moment I am looking for a !988 BMW 528E In Florida ,Tex , Cal etc
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Thanks for the feedback, makes people more careful.
Everyone is looking for a deal. It is a case of doing your homework and that means seeing all the documents to support what the seller is saying.

I have a car for sale on here at the moment. It it still under warranty and while I have 2 offers from dealers, I was hoping not to take such a big hit. The dealer even suggested I try to sell it privately. The asking price is 12,500, less than what the dealer will sell it for.
I have received an "offer" by PM from an EF member for 7,000.
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Old 23.10.2011, 18:34
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Generally buy an old BMW with 150k for peanuts & you will not go wrong, done this twice now at 298k and happy.
What price range is peanuts to walnuts?
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Everyone is looking for a deal. ...
Due to strong Swiss Franc the used car prices have or will drop substantially - this year Swiss bought many more new cars than last year.
Back in early 2009 I've bought a 2 yo car with 35000km done for about 28k. Lowest spec/trim. The dealer's price at that time was about 45k.
Now one can have the middle trim, factory-new, for 35k. Ouch.
I wish I were buying my car now.
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Old 23.10.2011, 22:56
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Everyone is looking for a deal. It is a case of doing your homework and that means seeing all the documents to support what the buyer is saying.

I have a car for sale on here at the moment. It it still under warranty and while I have 2 offers from dealers, I was hoping not to take such a big hit. The dealer even suggested I try to sell it privately. The asking price is 12,500, less than what the dealer will sell it for.
I have received an "offer" by PM from an EF member for 7,000.
When we decided to sell our car in spring, we were already gone and we were looking to sell it fast without too much trouble. It was so difficult to sell it because it was a very low price. I guess many thought something was wrong about the car, which wasn't. We had all the papers, bills and updates of all reparations made since the previous owner. We had everthing in order, fixed a lot of stuff to save trouble to the buyer, etc.

Still, some people were making offer which was to take us for idiots or hoping to get it for free.



The person who bought it (from EF) was very happy. She had lots of questions but we took time to answer her and make sure she was happy with it.

Even with a very cheap price...
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Old 23.10.2011, 22:58
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I am sure there are many of us on here who have bought old dogs in good faith and found out that they were not in the condition that they were led to believe. You just have to put it behind you.
I bought a little Punto for one of my daughters - it was not that old but a good price - of course the engine went a few weeks later.
I decided to get the engine rebuilt as the body was good and have had the car now for 10 years - the engine has really only been the thing that I have had to pay for. I use the car as a run about when in the UK.
Maybe your Focus might end up being not too painful of a buy.
Don't waste your energy chasing this creep - I doubt that you will be able to locate him now
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Old 23.10.2011, 23:00
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When we decided to sell our car in spring, we were already gone and we were looking to sell it fast without too much trouble. It was so difficult to sell it because it was a very low price. I guess many thought something was wrong about the car, which wasn't. We had all the papers, bills and updates of all reparations made since the previous owner. We had everthing in order, fixed a lot of stuff to save trouble to the buyer, etc.

Still, some people were making offer which was to take us for idiots or hoping to get it for free.



The person who bought it (from EF) was very happy. She had lots of questions but we took time to answer her and make sure she was happy with it.

Even with a very cheap price...
Yeah, I was one of those doubters too. Even at a 1000, which I think you were offering your's at, one needs to be suspicious. Just because it's a great price, might mean it's a great price on a burden. No offense meant.
Although I wasn't trying to get it for less.
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Yeah, I was one of those doubters too. Even at a 1000, which I think you were offering your's at, one needs to be suspicious. Just because it's a great price, might mean it's a great price on a burden. No offense meant.
Although I wasn't trying to get it for less.
I understand. I am not the kind to foul people and I did hope that people will have more faith in me since my time on EF.... I understand though, really.

Hey, that girl is happy, she got a very good car for an awesome bargain and we got our hands free. We would have brang it with us if we needed it here but we didn't and it was too much trouble, that's why we wanted to get rid of it and also because the car served us well and we also had it for a good deal.

Your lost!
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