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People keep saying it was "just a no-show" - but when this happened to me the circumstances involved me losing a day of work and a lot of goodwill from my boss and colleagues because their working days were affected through rescheduling etc.

The prevailing attitude that we just have to accept this as "part and parcel" of the process leads to a lot of timewasting and makes people a lot less likely to buy/sell on here.

I think a mild reminder that messing forum members around like this has consequences in real peoples' lives is not untoward. With a bit more consideration and forethought, most of these situations needn't happen at all.
I agree with you. But a "mild reminder" imo is not the same as a public "name and shame."

Also, the example you give, where you had a day off work, colleagues had to reschedule, was presumably for something of more value than wanting to sell a small second hand item or two.
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Old 02.11.2011, 23:12
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I agree with you. But a "mild reminder" imo is not the same as a public "name and shame."
It's only so much of a "public name and shame" when it involves a post about a pseudonym on the internet - whereas the inconvenience suffered on the other side is real time and money to a real person. Therein hangs the tale.

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Also, the example you give, where you had a day off work, colleagues had to reschedule, was presumably for something of more value than wanting to sell a small second hand item or two.
It wasn't actually. I just followed through on my commitment to collect something too far when they proceeded to repeatedly mess me about. I was prepared to give someone the benefit of the doubt because they were from this small community and because I was doing them a favour.

In the meantime, we expect members to keep on putting themselves out for each other whilst denying them the slightest recourse against the few who take advantage of the system. Unfortunately, goodwill is finite.
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It's only so much of a "public name and shame" when it involves a post about a pseudonym on the internet - whereas the inconvenience suffered on the other side is real time and money to a real person. Therein hangs the tale.



It wasn't actually. I just followed through on my commitment to collect something too far when they proceeded to repeatedly mess me about. I was prepared to give someone the benefit of the doubt because they were from this small community and because I was doing them a favour.

In the meantime, we expect members to keep on putting themselves out for each other whilst denying them the slightest recourse against the few who take advantage of the system. Unfortunately, goodwill is finite.
What could be the lesson learnt from your experience?
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To the OP; don't forget to contact Interpol and the Intergalactic Police Federation (Solar Division) as well as your local vicar to ensure the evil doer is banished straight to hell.
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What could be the lesson learnt from your experience?
Or to turn it around, what would other members learn from this thread?

If they were selling something on this thread and offered to drive to Olten to drop it off - which of the contributors to this thread would be most likely to actually show up? Which ones would they refuse to sell to because they obviously don't feel that agreeing to buy is actually any real commitment?

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Or to turn it around, what would other members learn from this thread?

If they were selling something on this thread and offered to drive to Olten to drop it off - which of the contributors to this thread would be most likely to actually show up? Which ones would they refuse to sell to because they obviously don't feel that agreeing to buy is actually any real commitment?
So you have learnt.....?
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To the OP; don't forget to contact Interpol and the Intergalactic Police Federation (Solar Division) as well as your local vicar to ensure the evil doer is banished straight to hell.
I would say the evil doer should be executed How about a poll
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PS: Thanks Vlad and Adrian, for not making a public fuss the time I failed to meet at the appointed place, at the appointed time, for a bike ride.
Which reminds me ... people who say they will come to a bike ride, then go to the wrong meeting point, and turn their phone off. Grrr.
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Which reminds me ... people who say they will come to a bike ride, then go to the wrong meeting point, and turn their phone off. Grrr.
Don't be cross with me, or I will stop making banana cakes.
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Re: Unhappy with an EF member

Don't yer just love this forum?

In the past - in similar circumstances - if the members (user)name isn't given, everyone is clamouring: "Name and shame, name and shame .... ".

In this instance where the name was given upfront (and later removed), other members, are now writing: "Oohh .... I don't think it's nice to publicly name this person".

[...and I thought paradox, was the quick response wing of the Flying Doctor]
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Don't yer just love this forum?

In the past - in similar circumstances - if the members (user)name isn't given, everyone is clamouring: "Name and shame, name and shame .... ".

In this instance where the name was given upfront (and later removed), other members, are now writing: "Oohh .... I don't think it's nice to publicly name this person".

[...and I thought paradox, was the quick response wing of the Flying Doctor]
It's a two-way street with opinions going different directions. On many forums, naming and shaming isn't allowed. On this forum, it is. It will be interesting to see how this scenerio develops.
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It's a two-way street with opinions going different directions. On many forums, naming and shaming isn't allowed. On this forum, it is as long it is not a business It will be interesting to see how this scenerio develops.
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Re: Unhappy with an EF member

Hi EFers

This thread can not be completed without the other side of the story.

@ nasa2000

Lets start from the beginning,

As per your claim, I am not sure that I was the first one to PM/approch you as you clearly said in your PM that "Are you taking it for sure? Because I have other people interested, but if you are serious then I would apologize for them"
so you had found other potential buyers...
and If I had no genuine intention to buy the phone then I would have never gave you my phone number and would have tried to bargain the price.

I offered you to collect the item from any place suitable for you, you could have told me to collect it form your place to AVOID THIS,
"So not only keeping other buyers off the deal but also commuting for quite distance in shity traffic jams as well as postponing other things that I wanted to do in my evening..and then i get this!"

I have had shown the courtesy to inform you(which I do not bound to) before the meeting time with reason (which was not at all neccessary) that I could not come. I sent SMS and also PM you which reads,
"I wanted to buy this phone for my wife but she say she does not want it, she prefer for other model. so I would withdraw the deal. sorry for the inconvenience.
regards"

I dont see any genuine reason to be so upset because you could not sell the iPhone4 with which I think is a reasonable price tag UNLESS it is not bought legally or it is not yours or has some kind of damage

I accept (for that I already apologize to you) that my only fault is not to inform you well in advace, but again it is not a rule of EF and I am not bound to it. I could have come to the meeting place and then would have withdraw the deal, but I was just taking a chance if you are still not started then will save your time as I thought you fix it there applies you live near by Oerlikon.

At the end, if you really want to say sorry for making me (in)famous for NO VALID reason, we (and EFers) can meet near Oerlikon hbf at 18:00 for a glass of Beer/Wine (with partners) and you may have oppertunity to sell the famous iPhone 4...
Other EF members, ONLY those who have participated in this thread, are also welcome...

btw why the hell you Groan at me here,
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Its very easy to click "Groan" then to "thanks"
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i think this thread is ridiculous - the OP made a great explanation/apology above.
mods, can't you close this now and remove the pathetic tag below. thanks
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I'm guessing you are going to get some more groans for accusing the OP of trying to sell a stolen iPhone
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i think this thread is ridiculous - the OP made a great explanation/apology above.
mods, can't you close this now and remove the pathetic tag below. thanks
A great apology where he accuses the thread starter of obtaining the iPhone illegally?
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I have had shown the courtesy to inform you(which I do not bound to) before the meeting time with reason (which was not at all neccessary) that I could not come. I sent SMS and also PM you which reads,
"I wanted to buy this phone for my wife but she say she does not want it, she prefer for other model. so I would withdraw the deal. sorry for the inconvenience.
regards"

informing someone 15 mins before the deal is supposed to take place is taking the piss really, you knew full well the op would have already been on his way, and even if the meeting place was his home he would have had to stay in waiting for you.

If you want to buy / sell something with no come back should it all go titsup then an open forum isn't the place to do it.
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"Are you taking it for sure? Because I have other people interested, but if you are serious then I would apologize for them"
I don't know if this is the case of the OP, but when I got rid of my electronic stuff, I got a lot of messages in about 5 mins. So by the time I answered the 1st one, I knew I had at least 4 more interested.

I felt guilty telling all the other 4 people that the item was gone, even though they posted like 3 minutes after I started the thread.



(Just wrote this to let other potential buyers in EF this actually might happen, so no need to think there are evil intents behind!)
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I have had shown the courtesy to inform you(which I do not bound to) before the meeting time with reason (which was not at all neccessary) that I could not come. I sent SMS and also PM you which reads,
"I wanted to buy this phone for my wife but she say she does not want it, she prefer for other model. so I would withdraw the deal. sorry for the inconvenience.
regards"


I dont see any genuine reason to be so upset because you could not sell the iPhone4 with which I think is a reasonable price tag UNLESS it is not bought legally or it is not yours or has some kind of damage

I accept (for that I already apologize to you) that my only fault is not to inform you well in advace, but again it is not a rule of EF and I am not bound to it. I could have come to the meeting place and then would have withdraw the deal, but I was just taking a chance if you are still not started then will save your time as I thought you fix it there applies you live near by Oerlikon.

At the end, if you really want to say sorry for making me (in)famous for NO VALID reason, we (and EFers) can meet near Oerlikon hbf at 18:00 for a glass of Beer/Wine (with partners) and you may have oppertunity to sell the famous iPhone 4...
Other EF members, ONLY those who have participated in this thread, are also welcome...

btw why the hell you Groan at me here,
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For those of us who've bought/sold something on here, we've encountered time wasters. Some more annoying than others. I was tempted many times to name and shame but decided to ignore it hoping for karma.

The OP has chosen to voice his/her frustration just as pari chose to say "no" to the phone. Who are we to judge how someone vents their frustration?

What I take issue with is the arrogance in the tone of the response: "I have had shown the courtesy to inform you(which I do not bound to) before the meeting time with reason (which was not at all neccessary)...."

Actually, you are right, you are not bound to BUT GUESS WHAT SUNSHINE? ITS COMMON DECENCY AND COMMON SENSE to actually inform someone before hand that you dont want the phone - not 15 minutes before the meeting, simply because you've assumed that the OP lives near Oerlikon?? And surely you would have told your wife about your intended purchase way beforehand and not 15 minutes prior.....

The OP did make the mistake of burning the bridges with her other potential buyers before completing the sale - I am guessing that she didnt want to waste anyone else's time. Seems like her biggest bug bear is having time wasted. There is no need to accuse her of selling a stolen iPhone.

Sometimes its best to just apologise for that rubbish attitude and treatment of another human being, and assuming too much, rather than coming up with lame excuses which makes you look even worse.
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At the end, if you really want to say sorry for making me (in)famous for NO VALID reason, we (and EFers) can meet near Oerlikon hbf at 18:00 for a glass of Beer/Wine (with partners) and you may have oppertunity to sell the famous iPhone 4...
Other EF members, ONLY those who have participated in this thread, are also welcome...
How do we know you'll turn up - perhaps your wife will stop you going.

Until your response, I was neutral on this, sorry Pari the tone of your response has put me firmly on the OP's side. You really don't get dealing with people, do you??
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