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Re: Profanity.

No it's not. My very proper Irish mother in law never, ever swears but she will say Feck as traditionally it is not a swear word. Urban dictionary even lists it as a "polite and socially acceptable profanity used by the Irish".

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It's said with an e but the word's the same. I'm a native, I know.
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Re: Profanity.

Berk has always just meant idiot where I come from.

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I thought it meant an idiot!

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Old 30.03.2012, 12:28
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"Rhyming Slang" is not intended to be funny (and let's not get started on the topic of UK vs US humour...), but originated as a way for the English working class to communicate in front of the Aristocracy without being understood (or so I have read).

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What a set of berks.
He called you working class
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Except Berkshire is pronounced 'Barkshire'....
Yes, which makes it rather unusual. However, I think that the modern pronounciation "Barkshire" (as opposed to "Berkshire") has changed over the years (centuries?) - which would explain how the shortened version (Berk) differs from the long version (Barkshire). In reading about the English language (an interest of mine), I've learnt that many words in English have changed in how they are pronounced (and spelt) over the centuries and some have TWO pronounciations depending on usage (e.g. St. John...)
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Maybe berk is a swear word for posh people.
Well, it's undoubtably used by the Middle Class but language is much more socially fluid (aided, no doubt, by the military in which all British social classes used to serve, as well as by TV and radio) than one would expect.

And yes, the current meaning of "berk" is "idiot" or "fool" (which is also a usage for the infamous "C" word)

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"Rhyming Slang" is not intended to be funny (and let's not get started on the topic of UK vs US humour...), but originated as a way for the English working class to communicate in front of the Aristocracy without being understood (or so I have read). Cockney Rhyming Slang is perhaps the best known, but there are others. What is key is that the rhyming slang is truncated, so apparently it appears unrelated to the original work (as in "have a butcher's at this"... "butcher's" = butcher's hook = look). With a bit of skill, one can actually use British-English slang with non-British native English speakers and leave them completely puzzled as to what is being said (doesn't work with Australians or New Zealenders though - they have similar slang).

In the mid 60's, when there was a fair degree of social fluidity in the UK, a lot of "working class" and "other rank" military slang and profanity was adopted by the upper and middle classes - so expressions like "berk", "bu99er", "bog" (for toilet), "sarni" (sandwich), "prat", "w*nker" became more widespread.

Even nowadays, military slang (often derogatory) continues to enter into common usage - my current favourite being "muppet" (not referring to Kermit or Ms Piggy but rather "Most Useless Person Pusser [Purser: Royal Navy Supply wallah] Ever Trained)

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My coworkers in London tried very hard to convince me that "bitch" was cockney for "Spanish witch". I wonder why
I think they're having a Giraffe, mate. Telling porkies to you like that...
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No it's not. My very proper Irish mother in law never, ever swears but she will say Feck as traditionally it is not a swear word. Urban dictionary even lists it as a "polite and socially acceptable profanity used by the Irish".
Absolutely! If Irish priests can say it, it must be ok.

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Old 30.03.2012, 13:36
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But I didn't know that was where "berk" came from - it's definitely completely innocuous to me. I suspect my granddad doesn't know either as he uses it a lot and hates all swear words.
That was my point...

Offensive words are only offensive if you're offended by them.
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Old 30.03.2012, 14:06
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No it's not. My very proper Irish mother in law never, ever swears but she will say Feck as traditionally it is not a swear word. Urban dictionary even lists it as a "polite and socially acceptable profanity used by the Irish".
Also - "feckless" - careless , irresponsible indicates that the word is not a synonm for the more common four letter lettered species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feck
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Re: Profanity.

this is completely NSFW and also totally offensive if you don't like cursing, but pretty much sums it up for me. I have tried to warn you, Peg A : )

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Old 30.03.2012, 22:24
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Even nowadays, military slang (often derogatory) continues to enter into common usage - my current favourite being "muppet" (not referring to Kermit or Ms Piggy but rather "Most Useless Person Pusser [Purser: Royal Navy Supply wallah] Ever Trained)

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Old 31.03.2012, 00:29
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I have tried to warn you, Peg A : )

Bwahahaha - come on, my father is a Marine for Pete's sake!

Swearing, in general, does not offend me. What offends me is when people break rules, or when people, who have been told their behavior has offended in some way, refuse to stop / pile on even worse.

I've already said that a main part of why profanity on this forum bothers me is because it is stated to be against the rules / guidelines / whatever - to which we all agreed (whether anyone actually read them or not).

The other reason it bothers me is because it is a serious enough thing that sometimes people actually get suspended / banned for it - and yet people still do it, and not everyone gets in trouble equally.

THAT's why I believe it's a problem, and THAT is why I started this thread, as I stated before.


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Old 31.03.2012, 00:42
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Re: Profanity.

yea- but you have to remember that different words mean different things to people. "look at that mut*a f#^%r walking down the street" means different things depending how you want to take it


profanity is sometimes necessary, how else could you describe a 'sharp dressed son of a b****" other than that way? when it becomes offensive, you can always say so. me, i quite miss profanity, there's not enough of it here in switzerland.
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yea- but you have to remember that different words mean different things to people. "look at that mut*a f#^%r walking down the street" means different things depending how you want to take it


profanity is sometimes necessary, how else could you describe a 'sharp dressed son of a b****" other than that way? when it becomes offensive, you can always say so. me, i quite miss profanity, there's not enough of it here in switzerland.
Yeah! Me too! It's a tough gig having to mind one's P's and Q's so much of the time here.
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Reminds me of the late, great Ronnie Barker at St. Cain & Abel church...




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"Rhyming Slang" is not intended to be funny (and let's not get started on the topic of UK vs US humour...), but originated as a way for the English working class to communicate in front of the Aristocracy without being understood (or so I have read). Cockney Rhyming Slang is perhaps the best known, but there are others. What is key is that the rhyming slang is truncated, so apparently it appears unrelated to the original work (as in "have a butcher's at this"... "butcher's" = butcher's hook = look). With a bit of skill, one can actually use British-English slang with non-British native English speakers and leave them completely puzzled as to what is being said (doesn't work with Australians or New Zealenders though - they have similar slang).
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Couldn't find the moral turpitude clip but this gets the point across, and is kinda how I'd see a chat between our own Beulah from Basel and 22 yards:

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From a French speaking point of view, twat sounds like twit, twit is an idiot.

I have no idea what it means and how bad it is!
ahahahaha made THAT mistake once - the kids at school said I should ask my daughters what the difference is ... and they told me never made that mistake again, lol.
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Re: Profanity.

Even names came be profane. I just looked up Peg in the urban dictionary and was aghast at its other meanings.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg
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Even names came be profane. I just looked up Peg in the urban dictionary and was aghast at its other meanings.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg

Well, you know, even this gal likes to let her hair down every now and again.
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Even names came be profane. I just looked up Peg in the urban dictionary and was aghast at its other meanings.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg
Awesome!!!!!
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