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Re: Crossed the Line

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so, did the jacket get sold or what?
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Ahem.....
so, did the jacket get sold or what?
No comment.
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Old 14.12.2012, 15:06
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If we stick to the topic, ie: Jackets, there are many alternatives nowadays.

Options that were not available at the time. So it's understandable that they were having to wear those fur jackets.
There are other options. Let's just say for a moment that buying a mink had a specific purpose, such as, keeping a person warm in extreme cold conditions. Would you want to wear cotton or mink?
Would you actually stand about in sub zero temperatures with your morals in cotton, if you had the choice of mink? I know one could say a mink, in Switzerland, would be used for other affects(although it does get damn cold in many areas here). But the fact is there are still a lot of place in the world where wearing animal fur trumps cotton for the cold. And surely they are also producing animal fur for coats in area they are wearing them.
I doubt anyone has to justify why they are buying fur. I certainly wouldn't.
And yes there are more alternatives, but why be wasteful I think is the biggest argument here? Are you part of this consumer mentality, that we are so "advanced" now we should just dump and burn all parts of out past, and re purchase anew, sin free world? Because working with synthetics is always a non pollutant for both the environment and the worker, who is making them?
I have seen some strange things in my life that came from assumed animal and human suffering(of both which I couldn't confirm), and none of which I sought out to see. But I still acknowledge it is wasteful to destroy these items, most of which, now.
What offends me is the cross in Christianity. You nail a man, to it, and then people walk around forever with symbolic crosses around their necks, where I have to envision the suffering of another, that happened for sure, instead of these people simply interpreting the good of his teachings.
You see the world is filled with little reminders of terrible things, but destroying them all doesn't reconcile the actions of how we got those objects.
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Just a naive question, but do you PM each other in French? I guess English must be so limiting, but with French the saucepans can really fly
He is French? Aaaaaaaaah, now that explain so many things.
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There are other options. Let's just say for a moment that buying a mink had a specific purpose, such as, keeping a person warm in extreme cold conditions. Would you want to wear cotton or mink?
Would you actually stand about in sub zero temperatures with your morals in cotton, if you had the choice of mink? I know one could say a mink, in Switzerland, would be used for other affects(although it does get damn cold in many areas here). But the fact is there are still a lot of place in the world where wearing animal fur trumps cotton for the cold. And surely they are also producing animal fur for coats in area they are wearing them.
I doubt anyone has to justify why they are buying fur. I certainly wouldn't.
And yes there are more alternatives, but why be wasteful I think is the biggest argument here? Are you part of this consumer mentality, that we are so "advanced" now we should just dump and burn all parts of out past, and re purchase anew, sin free world? Because working with synthetics is always a non pollutant for both the environment and the worker, who is making them?
I have seen some strange things in my life that came from assumed animal and human suffering(of both which I couldn't confirm), and none of which I sought out to see. But I still acknowledge it is wasteful to destroy these items, most of which, now.
What offends me is the cross in Christianity. You nail a man, to it, and then people walk around forever with symbolic crosses around their necks, where I have to envision the suffering of another, that happened for sure, instead of these people simply interpreting the good of his teachings.
You see the world is filled with little reminders of terrible things, but destroying them all doesn't reconcile the actions of how we got those objects.
Have a nice day.
In short, I agree-
-Some countries relied on fur because it was cheap and way to keep warm
-Who mentioned destroying the jacket?
-Not against the OP selling it even just saying it was ok to post a video about how they are made (sometimes, depending where and when).
-Also was saying how it was less ok to be hyperreactive and feel offended by a video...

But yeah if it can be reused, well the animals are dead already anyway, sad but true.
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Old 14.12.2012, 15:53
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Re: Crossed the Line

Guess I won't bother to post my inherited mink coat then.

I find it strange sometimes that people get all het up about things like a mink coat, not that I would buy or wear one myself, but never give a thought to how things like their daily pint of milk are produced. When you realise how many calves are taken away from their mothers at birth just to keep the white stuff flowing, it's a sobering thought on how we live our lives these days.
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...What offends me is the cross in Christianity. You nail a man, to it, and then people walk around forever with symbolic crosses around their necks, where I have to envision the suffering of ...
The point of the cross in Christianity is that Jesus rose from the dead, and so the evil of the world, as represented by the instrument of torture and death - the cross - was defeated. That's why protestants wear crosses rather than crucifixes - the Catholic church focuses elsewhere.

So rather than envision the suffering, the idea is to be happy that death and evil have been defeated.

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Old 14.12.2012, 16:06
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In short, I agree-
-Some countries relied on fur because it was cheap and way to keep warm
-Who mentioned destroying the jacket?
-Not against the OP selling it even just saying it was ok to post a video about how they are made (sometimes, depending where and when).
-Also was saying how it was less ok to be hyperreactive and feel offended by a video...

But yeah if it can be reused, well the animals are dead already anyway, sad but true.
I just don't see how you are helping the OP selling her coat by posting a video of anything derogatory to her sale? If she said I have a mink, it is from 1920, and selling it for 500 CHF. And in the current market, a 1920 mink actually commands 250, and you pointed that out; that is relevant. Talking about how it may or may have not was made in negative speculation and will not help her sale.

I mean if I came on here and offered services for catering, and suggested a menu that included meat on it, do you think it would be necessary if another poster, who has no intention of taking my services at all, posts a video of a slaughterhouse of cows, and how the menu should be vegan?

And then I post a vegan menu, and someone posts a video how the food I might be using, might have GMO's in it, and the effect on the environment it may have.

Then I post a menu saying it is 100% organic, 100% vegan, and some one posts a video how saying the world went 100% organic that we would not have enough food to sustain the human population would die, especially effecting the poorest.

Then I come out with a menu that in 100% Vegan, 100% Organic, 100% through 10 days of research proven sustainable, and some one posts a video about the poorest farmers of the world losing their farms, losing their way of life, starving to death because they can't grow what they can afford to eat?

You see all I wanted to do was offer catering services, and these people aren't helping do that. And it's the same with the mink.

If you haven't anything nice to say, or contribute to a classified section post, take it to the complaints corner.
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Old 14.12.2012, 16:07
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The point of the cross in Christianity is that Jesus rose from the dead, and so the evil of the world, as represented by the instrument of torture and death - the cross - was defeated. That's why protestants wear crosses rather than crucifixes - the Catholic church focuses elsewhere.

So rather than envision the suffering, the idea is to be happy that death and evil have been defeated.

HTH
I don't agree. If anyone I know was nailed to a symbol, and died, then people started wearing that symbol around town the next day, it would sicken me.
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I just don't see how you are helping the OP selling her coat by posting a video of anything derogatory to her sale? If she said I have a mink, it is from 1920, and selling it for 500 CHF. And in the current market, a 1920 mink actually commands 250, and you pointed that out; that is relevant. Talking about how it may or may have not was made in negative speculation and will not help her sale.

I mean if I came on here and offered services for catering, and suggested a menu that included meat on it, do you think it would be necessary if another poster, who has no intention of taking my services at all, posts a video of a slaughterhouse of cows, and how the menu should be vegan?

And then I post a vegan menu, and someone posts a video how the food I might be using, might have GMO's in it, and the effect on the environment it may have.

Then I post a menu saying it is 100% organic, 100% vegan, and some one posts a video how saying the world went 100% organic that we would not have enough food to sustain the human population would die, especially effecting the poorest.

Then I come out with a menu that in 100% Vegan, 100% Organic, 100% through 10 days of research proven sustainable, and some one posts a video about the poorest farmers of the world losing their farms, losing their way of life, starving to death because they can't grow what they can afford to eat?

You see all I wanted to do was offer catering services, and these people aren't helping do that. And it's the same with the mink.

If you haven't anything nice to say, or contribute to a classified section post, take it to the complaints corner.
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I don't agree. If anyone I know was nailed to a symbol, and died, then people started wearing that symbol around town the next day, it would sicken me.
Wasn't that part of a joke from Bill Bryson?
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Wasn't that part of a joke from Bill Bryson?
Sorry, who is he?
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I just don't see how you are helping the OP selling her coat by posting a video of anything derogatory to her sale? If she said I have a mink, it is from 1920, and selling it for 500 CHF. And in the current market, a 1920 mink actually commands 250, and you pointed that out; that is relevant. Talking about how it may or may have not was made in negative speculation and will not help her sale.

I mean if I came on here and offered services for catering, and suggested a menu that included meat on it, do you think it would be necessary if another poster, who has no intention of taking my services at all, posts a video of a slaughterhouse of cows, and how the menu should be vegan?

And then I post a vegan menu, and someone posts a video how the food I might be using, might have GMO's in it, and the effect on the environment it may have.

Then I post a menu saying it is 100% organic, 100% vegan, and some one posts a video how saying the world went 100% organic that we would not have enough food to sustain the human population would die, especially effecting the poorest.

Then I come out with a menu that in 100% Vegan, 100% Organic, 100% through 10 days of research proven sustainable, and some one posts a video about the poorest farmers of the world losing their farms, losing their way of life, starving to death because they can't grow what they can afford to eat?

You see all I wanted to do was offer catering services, and these people aren't helping do that. And it's the same with the mink.

If you haven't anything nice to say, or contribute to a classified section post, take it to the complaints corner.
Another approximation...

Let's clarify simply by point by points:

1) I never posted any video. Please don't tell me " how you are helping the OP selling her coat by posting a video"

2) It's public forum not a private sale market. Not everyone "has to help" a sale or be quiet

3) I have not even seen the sale topic or video, but this "crossed the line" topic was my basis of comment.

4) Your referring about food is: a good example. However it's about food. So it's not really the same. Although i agreed that it's morally questionnable.

5) Now if a food video about killing cow would be posted in a "I sell a burger topic", then I don't think it's crossing the line, or that it's shocking. Because that is how it is made. And because in this country we have freedom of expression.
So if anyone is unhappy about posting a video, go back to your respective countries or find a more decisive solution to deal with your hyper sensitivity and problems.


6) It's not the classified section here but we are already in "forum support". I repeat that I have never even been to the classified about that topic.


So maybe better do your homework next time, ok?
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I luv hate mail http://www.wolfden.ca/moccasins/index.php , lola 07 give it a go. I luv furs {Nil} BTW made by Native american (First nations)
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Another approximation...

Let's clarify simply by point by points:

1) I never posted any video. Please don't tell me " how you are helping the OP selling her coat by posting a video"

2) It's public forum not a private sale market. Not everyone "has to help" a sale or be quiet

3) I have not even seen the sale topic or video, but this "crossed the line" topic was my basis of comment.

4) Your referring about food is: a good example. However it's about food. So it's not really the same. Although i agreed that it's morally questionnable.

5) Now if a food video about killing cow would be posted in a "I sell a burger topic", then I don't think it's crossing the line, or that it's shocking. Because that is how it is made. And because in this country we have freedom of expression.
So if anyone is unhappy about posting a video, go back to your respective countries or find a more decisive solution to deal with your hyper sensitivity and problems.

6) It's not the classified section here but we are already in "forum support". I repeat that I have never even been to the classified about that topic.


So maybe better do your homework next time, ok?
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