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Old 16.04.2018, 10:34
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Over moderation

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I have in the past repeatedly received PMs by certain mods giving me lectures on English grammar or vocabulary pointing out mistakes I made. I frankly never asked for them and found them pretty pretentious... but decided to let it go and ignored them.


However, may I ask the mod team to stop doing shit like this on public posts:
https://www.englishforum.ch/2934223-post10.html


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Re: Over moderation

Your original post didn't make any sense, as the words for lending and borrowing are different in English (unlike German). The moderator could have deleted your post instead; would that have been preferable?

I see that she left all the other errors in your post. She wasn't being a grammar Nazi -- she just made a very small correction to enable English speakers to understand what you'd written. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

We don't need to get into a discussion about whether "loan" (AmE) or "lend" (BrE) is correct here... Even if it is "lend".
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Re: Over moderation

What? Do you take some sort of pride in being poor at English usage? Why on earth would you want your errors left? You may not think there's a problem, but actually your incorrect usage frequently makes your posts difficult to understand, particularly your very common reversal of verb and subject.

If you don't want to improve your English that's your business, but this is an English language forum, so I think it's reasonable to expect that basic mistakes like this one (borrow/lend) will be corrected for you.

Edit: Yes, of course it should be lend, not loan.
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Your original post didn't make any sense, as the words for lending and borrowing are different in English (unlike German). The moderator could have deleted your post instead; would that have been preferable?

I see that she left all the other errors in your post. She wasn't being a grammar Nazi -- she just made a very small correction to enable English speakers to understand what you'd written. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Nobody seems to have had issues understanding the post or asking for clarifications.
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Old 16.04.2018, 10:46
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Nobody seems to have had issues understanding the post or asking for clarifications.
Non-native English speakers could well have problems. Native speakers would just find it comical. Neither is a great outcome for you.
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Your original post didn't make any sense, as the words for lending and borrowing are different in English (unlike German). The moderator could have deleted your post instead; would that have been preferable?

I see that she left all the other errors in your post. She wasn't being a grammar Nazi -- she just made a very small correction to enable English speakers to understand what you'd written. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

We don't need to get into a discussion about whether "loan" or "lend" is correct here... Even if it is "lend".
the meaning was understandable to english speakers even though not correct english. moderators should use a snarky quote and ftfy like everyone else if they want to correct.
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the meaning was understandable to english speakers even though not correct english. moderators should use a snarky quote and ftfy like everyone else if they want to correct.
Absolutely, e e cummings!
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Re: Over moderation

I like to see the mistakes from non-native English speakers - the intended meaning is usually fairly obvious to a native speaker, and then it helps when understanding other non-native speakers when they make mistakes in English in everyday life. Obviously it may make it hard for non-native speakers to read and understand the post, though..


Etched in my memory - A cute asian girl once came up to me and said:

"I like cock."

There was a brief moment of shock, surprise, and bewilderment - until I realized she was asking me for a badminton shuttlecock. true story.
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Old 16.04.2018, 10:53
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I like to see the mistakes from non-native English speakers - the intended meaning is usually fairly obvious to a native speaker, and then it helps when understanding other non-native speakers when they make mistakes in English in everyday life. Obviously it may make it hard for non-native speakers to read and understand the post, though..


Etched in my memory - A cute asian girl once came up to me and said:

"I like cock."

There was a brief moment of shock, surprise, and bewilderment - until I realized she was asking me for a badminton shuttlecock. true story.
I think you missed the obvious come-on from a cute, flirtatious girl.
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particularly your very common reversal of verb and subject.

I believe you once sent me a longer explanation on that one, but I think I somehow might have deleted the message...




It just seems we have a different opinion on this:
- www.englishforum.com is an english language forum

- this site is a forum for expats interested in CH. We use English as a tool to understand each other. Patronizing users is only making the none native speakers post less - both newbies asking for stuff as well as the people who probably know more about CH than the native English speaker on here...
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Old 16.04.2018, 11:19
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Your original post didn't make any sense, as the words for lending and borrowing are different in English (unlike German). The moderator could have deleted your post instead; would that have been preferable?

I see that she left all the other errors in your post. She wasn't being a grammar Nazi -- she just made a very small correction to enable English speakers to understand what you'd written. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

We don't need to get into a discussion about whether "loan" (AmE) or "lend" (BrE) is correct here... Even if it is "lend".
I’m sure we all noticed the error in the original post, but given the context, I’m equally certain that not a single person failed to understand the message. If a mod is sufficiently keen to drop someone a PM, so be it, but to wag a finger in public like that is out of order. Once mods start this sort of nonsense, where does it end up?
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Your original post didn't make any sense, as the words for lending and borrowing are different in English (unlike German). The moderator could have deleted your post instead; would that have been preferable?

I see that she left all the other errors in your post. She wasn't being a grammar Nazi -- she just made a very small correction to enable English speakers to understand what you'd written. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

We don't need to get into a discussion about whether "loan" (AmE) or "lend" (BrE) is correct here... Even if it is "lend".
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What? Do you take some sort of pride in being poor at English usage? Why on earth would you want your errors left? You may not think there's a problem, but actually your incorrect usage frequently makes your posts difficult to understand, particularly your very common reversal of verb and subject.

If you don't want to improve your English that's your business, but this is an English language forum, so I think it's reasonable to expect that basic mistakes like this one (borrow/lend) will be corrected for you.

Edit: Yes, of course it should be lend, not loan.
Guys these are pretty damn rude and disrespectful replies to someone for whom English is not their first language, especially you Ace1, that in bold is a pretty horrendous thing to write actually. Also 22yards there would be zero logical or moral grounds for fully deleting a post due to minor errors like that. Treverus is a long-standing member and it is plan to see that he writes very well indeed for a non-native speaker. I rarely (in fact I can't even remember the last time I saw) I see people having trouble understanding him.

I can understand editing thread titles to correct mistakes as that is important, but going through people's posts to correct minor errors that anyone with a basic contextual awareness can work out very easily is a bit much. You should be PM'ing the writer for permission to change their text rather than just going around editing posts willy-nilly as and when you feel like it, especially when no rules have been broken.

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Old 16.04.2018, 11:24
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I believe you once sent me a longer explanation on that one, but I think I somehow might have deleted the message...
That could well have been me. Would you like me to re-send the message?

In similar vein to the current kerfuffle, your posts written in Germlish (at least as far as sentence construction is concerned) are hard to understand, at best, and downright ambiguous at worst. Any tips (one "p") or suggestions we provide are intended to help you -- and believe me, it's not just you.

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Patronizing users is only making the none native speakers post less - both newbies asking for stuff as well as the people who probably know more about CH than the native English speaker on here...
I think you're being overly sensitive. 3Wishes wasn't being patronising; she was just trying to help all users understand your post. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Old 16.04.2018, 11:27
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Also 22yards there would be zero logical or moral grounds for fully deleting a post due to minor errors like that.
Of course. Do you take everything literally?
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I believe you once sent me a longer explanation on that one, but I think I somehow might have deleted the message...
Yes, I once, some years ago, PM'd you some advice on your grammar, but your reaction was such that I realised you didn't want to be helped, so I never repeated it. Not sure why this bothers you so much.
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- this site is a forum for expats interested in CH. We use English as a tool to understand each other. Patronizing users is only making the none native speakers post less - both newbies asking for stuff as well as the people who probably know more about CH than the native English speaker on here...
Nobody's trying to be patronising, just trying to smooth things along to everyone's advantage.

Are you as hyper-sensitive to criticism in your professional life as well? I assume from your posts that you work in banking, so you must have to use English some of the time at least. I know when I worked (for 20+ years) in English-speaking international companies that all the non-native English speakers I ever came across would welcome corrections, as do I when speaking French or German (or Spanish or Italian, on occasion). They mostly want to improve their English to be better understood and respected by their colleagues.
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In similar vein to the current kerfuffle, your posts written in Germlish (at least as far as sentence construction is concerned) are hard to understand, at best, and downright ambiguous at worst. Any tips (one "p") or suggestions we provide are intended to help you -- and believe me, it's not just you.

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I think that's particularly rude. Treverus's written English is really good for a non-native speaker and a lot of English people would not be able to tell it wasn't native.
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As I noticed, my posts never got edited by a mod. One thing is clear: me failing english: unpossible!
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both newbies asking for stuff as well as the people who probably know more about CH than the native English speakerS on here...
It's a public forum please pay attention to the fact that there are several type of English language*, therefore there's not one speaker but speakerS.


*unless one considers yanks speaking is similar to roastbeefs speaking!??

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What? Do you take some sort of pride in being poor at English usage?
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Are you as hyper-sensitive to criticism in your professional life as well?
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Nobody's trying to be patronising.
Are you ****ing serious?

PS: It is especially ironic given Musichicks English is at times damn near as close to incomprehensible as it gets, and yet we don't see her being corrected?

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Nobody seems to have had issues understanding the post or asking for clarifications.
I never had a problem understanding any of Treverus' posts. I find them totally clear and concise. Even if he picks the wrong word or grammatical form here or there, it's totally clear from the context what he means to say.

That said, for the most part Trverus' English is correct. Probably way better than most people on this forum can manage in German.

And anyway, even us native speakers make mistakes here and there so why not live and let live?

And should anybody genuinely misunderstand anything, I'm sure Treverus doesn't mind clarifying. He's not the type to drop a random smart alec statement and then vanish, but he generally follows up on comments and reactions to his posts.
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