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Old 09.11.2018, 00:32
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Rubbish. The purpose of multiple moderators is that should one of them pretend to actually have a life (spend an evening away from the keyboard, cook a meal, use the toilet etc.)the others are online to keep an eye on the meatbags.
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Are moderators allowed to be human beings?
What a silly notion. Nowadays they're all bots anyway.
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Old 09.11.2018, 10:34
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What a mod can't do is use mod-features of the system due to personal preferences.
I re-opened the poll so I could vote. Does that count? (WWDD?)

I voted No, because feck 'em.
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Old 09.11.2018, 10:42
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because as mods they are in a position of authority and thus are almost obliged to remain neutral
I don't think that's realistic on a member moderated forum. I think the best you can hope for is that the moderator team overall is more or less neutral.
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Old 09.11.2018, 11:00
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I re-opened the poll so I could vote. Does that count? (WWDD?)

I voted No, because feck 'em.
The abuse of power bit. Voting when no-one else can anymore PLUS adding a choice no-one had.

At least you did it the bragging/Trumpian way. "I could shoot someone on 5th avenue and nothing will happen"
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I know that this is directed at all mods, not just me, but I also know you're not alone in thinking this way so I wanted to address it.

Groans and red rep do not mean anything in our real lives, out in the real world. No, they're not nice. They're childish at best and outright mean at worst. They're over-used by certain members of the community and it can become a bit bullying.

What I'd love to see is for our members to self-moderate more rather than mods stepping in all the time.
Actually, it wasn't directed at you at all.

And maybe this is my personal problem, perhaps I am a delicate flower. But if I am groaned incessantly for my opinion, i don't want to participate.

So are you saying it's all shits and giggles? So anything serious we should go elsewhere? Ok then, that's fine. I'll keep that in mind.

The thing is that words hurt. They really do. I don't know why groans bother me so much - I think it's the lack of respect that they indicate. And an attempt to steer the discussion in a particular way. So, ok then.

Yes, you are allowed to be human.

oh and I hate being told to HTFU.
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Old 09.11.2018, 13:06
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But if I am groaned incessantly for my opinion, i don't want to participate.
Groans received: 31

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Old 09.11.2018, 13:16
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Groans received: 31

Groans given out: 56
LOL. perception is everything.

(I see 27 to 53 though. 53 being given out)

By the way, if you hit the groan button by mistake, then "take it back" it stays in the total - but I guess leaves the listing of each one.
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Old 09.11.2018, 13:45
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LOL. perception is everything.
Isn't it just.

Whose stats are these?

Groans given: 6,193
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Thanks given: 71,300

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Groans received: 31

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Thanks so much. If you look at the time frame I groaned much more frequently in the beginning. People can change, can they not? . If you‘re trying to embarrass me, you‘re not either. But thanks again.
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Old 09.11.2018, 13:58
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Thanks so much. If you look at the time frame I groaned much more frequently in the beginning. People can change, can they not? . If you‘re trying to embarrass me, you‘re not either. But thanks again.
I'm just observing that you have been active participant in the very system you condemn.
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I'm just observing that you have been active participant in the very system you condemn.
Indeed. Not as active as many. Perhaps I learned my lesson.
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No, the purpose of multiple moderators is to allow a pile-on if a pile-on becomes necessary.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. That's how order was maintained on the playground, so why not here?
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Not my playground, but hey.

I know how fond you and others are of taking the piss, as it were, but when things do get nasty or when people groan incessantly, to be told by a mod to just laugh it off...it’s not so easy for everyone. Am I a delicate flower, perhaps, but I find some of these tactics akin to bullying. And, they stifle the discussion.

I’m not expecting a nanny state, but sometimes it is not funny, pleasant or fun. Moderate, please.
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…actually this place is quite gentle really. There's a bit of namecalling and sometimes we're a bit unfairly suspicious of newcomers, but generally it's a pretty decent community. To use the well-worn pub analogy, there's sawdust on the floor and there might be the odd fist fight but you're unlikely to get stabbed or shot.

We're a lovely bunch, really. Except the mods: they're all fascists.

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Have to say I voted yes and no. Yes, because moderators are allowed to have opinions and express them here on the forum. No, because mods are supposed to stamp on things like name calling, not do it themselves.

… My "job" is not to join in and enflame the situation more, but keep an eye on things and close it down if needed.

"The rules are simple: use common sense, respect the ideas of others even if you disagree with them. Perhaps most importantly, don't act like a dick. Please use your common sense and don't be offensive."

This is what everyone participating in a forum should try and abide by, no matter what their status….
I think at least some of this is cultural.

For some, (not just DB) a pile-on is seen as "necessary" and allowing it as "reasonable". The same goes for "namecalling" and the "odd fist fight".

For others, (not just edot) all of those can be plainly poor form, bad manners and hurtful, making such behaviours inappropriate, even if one happens to disagree with the other person's opinion, or lack thereof, or is displeased by the way others formulate their posts.

Any person (whether moderator or not) whose personal mix of sub-cultures in Real Life deems it as acceptable to slap each other on the shoulder, or point at one another, laugh at others, gang up on them, and issue verbal insults an put-downs, because this is seen as all fun and good sport… is likely to reproduce this behaviour in the way he or she posts.

Similarly, someone who believes in Real Life that it is alright to lash out at someone else’s opinions, and who tries to show him- or herself as superior by attempting to humiliate or crush the perceived opponent, will likely most likely do the same here in posts on the forum.

Then there are others who, as edot says, gradually shift their own behaivour or emphasis.

Yet others behave more forcefully and less respectfully on a forum than they would ever have the audacity to do in Real Life.

For myself, from my own mix of cultures and sub-cultures, I simply cannot see any benefit for anyone at all when posts on a forum (be they by non-mods, by mods, or also in PMs) become verbally aggressive, haughty or insulting. I agree with edot: words can really hurt. I find many things in life funny, and I laugh a great deal, yet I see no amusement in hurtful words, irrespective of their target.

The danger of any particular set of words being perceived as offensive is even greater with written words, since they are without any context of the tone or speech, facial expression and body-language of the speaker. Emoticons may give some weak indication only. I’d hope that forum users – and moderators in particular – would exercise sufficient self-discipline to refrain from what could cause hurt.
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Old 09.11.2018, 14:27
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Thanks so much. If you look at the time frame I groaned much more frequently in the beginning. People can change, can they not? . If you‘re trying to embarrass me, you‘re not either. But thanks again.
I don't think DB was. He was showing that perception is often different from facts.
Maybe it's who groaned at you that made you feel groaned at all the time? Let's face it, when plonkers groan we don't even notice. When someone we "like" does, we get alert. Maybe.
Plus there are those who groan regularly - the value of those groans kind of decrease too.

Are you saying (LOL, sorry) you have become a groaner too lately? And that change is okay? Well, then, what's the problem?
I wouldn't worry about this too much. How did we get here anyway? Can't remember a mod ever groaning at me. You?
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I don't think DB was. He was showing that perception is often different from facts.
Maybe it's who groaned at you that made you feel groaned at all the time? Let's face it, when plonkers groan we don't even notice. When someone we "like" does, we get alert. Maybe.
Plus there are those who groan regularly - the value of those groans kind of decrease too.

Are you saying (LOL, sorry) you have become a groaner too lately? And that change is okay? Well, then, what's the problem?
I wouldn't worry about this too much. How did we get here anyway? Can't remember a mod ever groaning at me. You?
No I groan less. For the rest, different things bother me than you.
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I haven't groaned anyone since 2011.

Do I get a medal?
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No I groan less. For the rest, different things bother me than you.
Exactly, but I see the main purpose of groans as being to alert mods when a thread is going south. We've all seen the very rare posts that have garnered over 15 groans, and that's a big red flag to the mods. You would hope that they're a red flag to the poster too, but that's not always the case. Thankfully, such posts are exceptionally rare here.
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No I groan less. For the rest, different things bother me than you.
Absolutely.
I guess - like me - you'll just have to live with it. As long as those buttons are still in the EF software.
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I haven't groaned anyone since 2011.

Do I get a medal?
Naaa, switching to red pebbles (= doing it in secret) doesn't count.
Groans are a lot more honest.
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