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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

I don't think thats true at all, other opinions are fine, debate is fine, whats not fine is when you get a member constantly posting rubbish, discredited rubbish (brexit thread i'm looking at you) widely acknowledged as outright lies rubbish again and again and again, then selectively snipping quotes to prove their point while ignoring the main point of the post, for extra points ignore all the post except the grammatical error and rip that apart.
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Love different opinions but hate when they're based on trollish behaviour. Provide credible sources to reinforce your arguments. You'll gain a lot more respect that way.
Define "trollish"... are they simply opinions you don't agree with? Does every 'opinion' have to be backed by a credible source? An opinion by definition doesn't have a credible source other than the person giving it, so as long as it is delivered without being abusive then what exactly can be done about it? There are people who believe the world is flat and as stupid as it is do they have any less right to believe and voice it?

It sounds more like you (and others here) simply want to surpress views that you vehemently don't agree with and find yourself getting in a tizzy about... similar to other certain members who also seem to go full knee-jerk in these kinds of threads.

If you can't handle lively debate in threads on contentious political topics where there are guaranteed to be polar opposite views then I suggest you simply don't read or get involved in them.

I am not defending Loz's views, but I am defending his right to reasonably express them.

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Old 15.04.2019, 14:54
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for extra points ignore all the post except the grammatical error and rip that apart.
Yeah, Ace1 tends to do that...
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

Guess it's mainly about his reaction in the Brexit thread:

"I donít give a shit what you find disturbing or not."

speaks for itself doesn't it ....
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As the recipient of that comment, I wasn't bothered by it and definitely didn't complain about it so there must have been something more. I was too busy hugging trees at the time to be bovvered.

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Old 15.04.2019, 15:05
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Guess it's mainly about his reaction in the Brexit thread:

"I donít give a shit what you find disturbing or not."

speaks for itself doesn't it ....
Funny, that exact post I remember to and I fully comprehend.

It was between Loz and I don't remember whom which is why I didn't thank it - but I would have nodded, had we sat in the pub.
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

spoton reply "but I would have nodded, had we sat in the pub"

Like punters in a pub is the impression i get a bit too much on this forum
The EF Community is one of many different nationalities and norms , please bear that in mind
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

Make Loz a mod. Solved the problem with lost_inbroad, he doesn't post at all anymore!
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Old 15.04.2019, 15:22
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Sort of the same way Trump does in America. All the upptiy posh people saying what an ignorant fool he is, but he carries on going and has a decent chance in 2020 with his core support.

I think EF should decide what it wants. If it doesnt want people like Loz, with strong viewpoints on a number of topics, then get rid of him - you are after all in charge here. Whether a nicer, gentler form of debate works (to quote Jeremy Corbyn) time will tell. I know what I come here for.
I agree. Easy control by one side in any decent argument worth having doesn't exist.. and to arrive at a workable balance often requires a great deal of mess.
Without opposites discussing everything openly, all voices heard and acknowledged, we are fooked.

The reason we are where we are today. Too many voices over the years sadly ignored and dismissed as unimportant.
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Old 15.04.2019, 15:35
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Define "trollish"... are they simply opinions you don't agree with?
That's what all trolls claim.

I make thought-provoking posts.
You are an irritating prat.
He is banned by a mod.

Troll is a judgement call by a mod. Someone has to make it.

If an individual wants to be the one who decides, then they should ask to become a mod. Otherwise, they should stop whining. It's amazing how many people manage to use online forums, even people with minority view points, without ever being threatened with a ban.
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Old 15.04.2019, 15:37
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I am not defending Loz's views, but I am defending his right to reasonably express them.
As do we all on the mod team. He raises some good and interesting discussion points at times, and in no way is it our (or my) intention to stifle debate. This has been a much-discussed point within the mod team, and we do keep an eye on each other to try to ensure that this does not happen.

It's worth bearing in mind that many other posts, not just Loz's, are deleted on a frequent basis, and that we in the mod team can still see them all, so if one of us were to over- enthusiastically remove opinions we disliked the others would quickly pick up on that.

As I said earlier, it really shouldn't be that difficult to remain civil and courteous, even when you don't agree. This is all we ask for, and it's surely in everyone's best interests to do so.
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Old 15.04.2019, 15:42
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It will probably have escaped your notice that I was banned last week. Now Iím not one for kicking the Mods, however on this occasion the Mod in question overstepped the thin Mod/Member frontier and basically banned me because he didnít like what I was saying.

The excuse for banning me?




So basically banned for participating on the forum. None of what I posted were against the forum rules nor was it indubitably antisocial. Yet Ace1 took it upon himself to start deleting my posts (something thatís a bit of a hobby of his if you see the state of my inbox below), and eventually ban me.

Itís a problem because when one is banned like I was, there is no obvious appeals process. You can be banned simply because of the attitude of a single Mod. Iíve been a member here now for 11 years and counting and according to EFís grading system I have a reputation beyond repute (ha ha). In spite of this I could now be heading for a permanent ban because this particular Mod has a hard on for me. There is previous, and I warned this would happen last year but Iíll finish by saying when a Mod canít distinguish between their role as a Member or a Moderator, then itís time to hang up their Moderator hat or if not, have it removed.
A ban for a while is always good. One gets that energy back. And gets a bit of distance from the forum. Take it as a gift.
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Old 15.04.2019, 15:47
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Seriously? Are you David Lammy or something? You know this is a forum where you can search people's posting history, I'd challenge anyone to find where I've ever posted links to "right wing racist 'news' services".
But most of it does ring true.

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Anyway, I don't want to make this about be. I started this thread because I believe a single Mod is no longer fit to be a Mod. I doubt it'll have any influence but nevertheless it needed to be said.
It is all about you and a certain mod. You have an issue with the mods then take it up with them and stop trying to whip up nonsense here.
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spoton reply "but I would have nodded, had we sat in the pub"

Like punters in a pub is the impression i get a bit too much on this forum
The EF Community is one of many different nationalities and norms , please bear that in mind
Neither of my nationalities has a pub-tradition.

EF is very much like punters in an English pub though. Nothing wrong with that really, imo.
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loz doesn't debate, he post up inflammatory rubbish, usually backed up by links to right wing racist 'news' services
Mate, Loz doesn't provide sources (with a few rare exceptions). So I'd be interested to see a handful examples of where he linked to "right wing racist 'news' services".

What Ace1 said, whinging by Loz, is completely misplaced. I don't remember Loz complaining about the flak he gets even once, literally. And he receives far more than he dishes out.

Disagreeing with a viewpoint doesn't give the right to shut someone up, even (especially) if they annoy you.
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I make thought-provoking posts.
That's what all trolls claim.
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Mate, Loz doesn't provide sources (with a few rare exceptions). So I'd be interested to see a handful examples of where he linked to "right wing racist 'news' services".

What Ace1 said, whinging by Loz, is completely misplaced. I don't remember Loz complaining about the flak he gets even once, literally. And he receives far more than he dishes out.

Disagreeing with a viewpoint doesn't give the right to shut someone up, even (especially) if they annoy you.
Yes admins should be neutral and objective
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As do we all on the mod team. He raises some good and interesting discussion points at times, and in no way is it our (or my) intention to stifle debate. This has been a much-discussed point within the mod team, and we do keep an eye on each other to try to ensure that this does not happen.
So that's why you threatened with a permaban? Funny logic that.
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Old 15.04.2019, 16:38
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To be fair to Loz as much as I dislike his opinions on most subjects and we would probably not make pals in a pub, he hasnít from what iíve seen posted banning material, a lot of BS, and right sympathetic opinions and skewed data sets, but not banning material! I havenít seen the string of posts that led to this, although that would be interesting, any Mod going to pull off a Manning/Snowden and post them?
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There's disagreeable, and there is disagreeable.

Loz is merely disagreeable, certainly nothing worth perma banning him for.

I may not agree with most of Loz's views, but I wouldn't mind going out for a beer with him.

The forum I moderate only allows a little political discussion - those take up the vast majority of my moderation. I've suspended people to get them to take a step back, but only banned people for breaking a rule.
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