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Old 15.04.2019, 10:48
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We need to have a conversation about Ace1

It will probably have escaped your notice that I was banned last week. Now I’m not one for kicking the Mods, however on this occasion the Mod in question overstepped the thin Mod/Member frontier and basically banned me because he didn’t like what I was saying.

The excuse for banning me?

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Continued sniping, whinging and trolling. Next time will be permanent.

So basically banned for participating on the forum. None of what I posted were against the forum rules nor was it indubitably antisocial. Yet Ace1 took it upon himself to start deleting my posts (something that’s a bit of a hobby of his if you see the state of my inbox below), and eventually ban me.

It’s a problem because when one is banned like I was, there is no obvious appeals process. You can be banned simply because of the attitude of a single Mod. I’ve been a member here now for 11 years and counting and according to EF’s grading system I have a reputation beyond repute (ha ha). In spite of this I could now be heading for a permanent ban because this particular Mod has a hard on for me. There is previous, and I warned this would happen last year but I’ll finish by saying when a Mod can’t distinguish between their role as a Member or a Moderator, then it’s time to hang up their Moderator hat or if not, have it removed.
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Old 15.04.2019, 10:52
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

Why not take this up with Ace1 himself?

Also, I´d imagine that the mods discuss bans?
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Old 15.04.2019, 10:54
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Why not take this up with Ace1 himself?

Also, I´d imagine that the mods discuss bans?
When you're banned you can't take it up with anyone. You're locked out of your account completely and there is no way of accessing your Private Messages to appeal.
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

The Mods are gods, 'nuff said.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:01
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When you're banned you can't take it up with anyone. You're locked out of your account completely and there is no way of accessing your Private Messages to appeal.
Yes, but now you could?
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

You're not the only person who has posts moved and deleted, and you're not doing yourself any favours by saying that a mod has a hard on for you. You're doing this to yourself lad and I wish you wouldn't. I don't want to see you banned but have no conrol over how you behave.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:05
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The Mods are gods, 'nuff said.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else
That'll the be the likely outcome, the internet is a big place after all. Meanwhile EF will be reduced the level of debate we see on this page.
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Yes, but now you could?
Because the Ban has ended, a permanent ban & this would not be possible.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:07
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That'll the be the likely outcome, the internet is a big place after all. Meanwhile EF will be reduced the level of debate we see on this page.
No personal attacks, no-one being an arsehole or using offensive language and comments backed up with quotes and links. How awful.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:09
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You're not the only person who has posts moved and deleted, and you're not doing yourself any favours by saying that a mod has a hard on for you. You're doing this to yourself lad and I wish you wouldn't. I don't want to see you banned but have no conrol over how you behave.
I'm not bothered about posts being moved or deleted. It's when posts are moved or deleted almost exclusively by a single Mod, together with the regular threats to ban me.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:11
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No personal attacks, no-one being an arsehole or using offensive language and comments backed up with quotes and links. How awful.
Nearly the entire page is made up of a single member spamming the thread. You may as well go and read the Huff Post. Yet I'm the one who gets accused of trolling.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:12
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

but you are one of the biggest trolls on this forum, seriously you'd argue black is white just, it seems, for kicks
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:16
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Nearly the entire page is made up of a single member spamming the thread. You may as well go and read the Huff Post. Yet I'm the one who gets accused of trolling.
It's only because nobody else contributed, not because they are spamming. Plus "trolling" isn't defined by someone posting more than anyone else, that's "enthusiasm" at best or "boredom" at worst.

Plus you are only looking at one page. Recent days have seen some fiery debate back on the subject. Again, it was just debate.

The Brexit thread as been a bit spotty these last few days. Either people are bored with it or there's just nothing really new to report. You could go and fill your boots with some monologue if you wanted to.

I really feel that you don't have a handle on the meaning of "trolling", though.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:23
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It's when posts are moved or deleted almost exclusively by a single Mod, together with the regular threats to ban me.
That could be a time of day thing. When I was a mod on another site, I covered 0800 - 1430 GMT til NYC came online and took over, but suspensions were mostly a group decision, and bannings almost always were, except for newbie porn ad posters and stormfront idiots.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:31
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but you are one of the biggest trolls on this forum, seriously you'd argue black is white just, it seems, for kicks
For months now I have noticed this general attitude towards Loz and it has puzzled me somehow.
I may often not agree with him - or sometimes with his style of writing - but in some threads he's almost the only one with a different opinion and without him these endless threads would be nothing but a "hear hear" between most users. Is that really what EF aims at?

Discussing certain mods here doesn't seem productive. Should Loz's impression be correct it will only get worse.

I suggest Loz is being assigned to a different mod

I suggest 3Wishes, she's fair, doesn't get easily uptight or outraged and is open to constructive criticism.
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No personal attacks, no-one being an arsehole or using offensive language and comments backed up with quotes and links. How awful.
In short: Don't behave like Trump
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:34
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For months now I have noticed this general attitude towards Loz and it has puzzled me somehow.
I may often not agree with him - or sometimes with his style of writing - but in some threads he's almost the only one with a different opinion and without him these endless threads would be nothing but a "hear hear" between most users. Is that really what EF aims at?
There used to be more, however they all got banned.
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Old 15.04.2019, 11:43
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There used to be more, however they all got banned.
Like who? Only Kriss_Kross was permanently banned because he kept coming back with dupe accounts. Nothing to do with whether he agreed or disagreed with anyone.

Phos was the main Trump cheerleader and still holds the top spot of posters on that thread but he seems to have slid off to pastures new.
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

Capo went to a very dark place and parnell chooses not to post.
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Re: We need to have a conversation about Ace1

I'm not going to engage in a slanging match, but here's a couple of points to consider.

Mods do not act alone.
Banning is a measure of last resort - warnings are given, always leaving plenty of opportunity to self-moderate before more severe measures become necessary.
Aggressive, inflammatory, provocative, insulting or personal posts are clearly disallowed.
When multiple users complain about posts being made by one individual we're surely required to do something?

How difficult can it be to make whatever points you want without resorting to language and posting styles that appear deliberately intended to annoy or wind up other posters?
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