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Old 12.10.2019, 23:05
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Replacing vBulletin with something more modern?

EF is a great resource for those new to and established in Switzerland but the forum software it runs VBulletin is getting seriously long in the tooth now. The version running here (assuming the page footer is correct) is 10 years old and feels like it. The UI is clunky (fixed pagination, multitude of reply buttons, cryptic markup, poor search, etc), the mobile experience is poor (lots of tiny links/buttons) and, of concern for the people who host it, vBulletin has plenty of security issues. Newer software like Discourse is snappier, better suited to mobile, uses "modern" things like AJAX etc and, since it's in active development on modern technology, is likely better supported.

I recognised that there'll be a lot of people who like things "the way they are" but a once-a-decade switch to something more modern doesn't sound unreasonable. Are there any plans to switch to new software? (If EF/thelocal needs manpower for such a migration I'd be willing to help..)

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Old 12.10.2019, 23:41
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Re: Replacing vBulletin with something more modern?

I agree that EF looks a bit "conservative"... on the other side, I know vBullettin can be provide decent UX on mobile, check as an example skyscrapercity.com.

Maybe EF is just using an old version with not enough "modern" add-ons...?
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Old 13.10.2019, 10:00
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Re: Replacing vBulletin with something more modern?

Having recently had another of my forums switch to Discourse after a hacking attack on a similarly aged vBulletin which caused the loss of several days' worth of threads/posts I can understand your concern.

While Discourse is generally pretty good I myself still prefer pagination to infinite scrolling, especially when Discourse decides to move me further along than I want to go. Search function is pretty good, but I've had occasions when I can't find what I'm looking for which I could easily have done on vBulletin. Also, admin would likely need to do what my other forum did and fundamentally alter the trust levels so they conform to what we have here. Otherwise some threads would end up in a free for all of everyone moderating everyone else. I was going to post a link to the trust level blog, but surprise, surprise it says the site isn't secure due to a certificate error so I'll pass on that. If you want a read then just google Discourse Trust Levels to find it.

If anyone wants to have a look at a Discourse based forum, here ya go.

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/c/grimdawn
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Old 06.12.2019, 17:38
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Re: Replacing vBulletin with something more modern?

Agreed. Vbulletin needs to be changed imo, it is not very secure and the features, especially on the version we here at EF use, are just terrible.

On another forum I know they use the XenForo software, it's amazing and the time to get used to it coming from Vbulletin was verz short. https://xenforo.com/

It has, among other things:
  • A much better subscriptions and alerts system,
  • Auto post saving as you write
  • Auto image resizing (we so need this, the current attachments szsyem here is archaic and drives me nuts)
  • A proper ignore function that completely hides users posts

I wonder if Editor Bob will ever put any effort into improving the forum software...
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Old 06.12.2019, 17:50
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Re: Replacing vBulletin with something more modern?

So the version we use is v3.8 but the latest vBulletin available is v5. Presumably an upgrade would fix the security holes? Any reason why the forum deities don't take that step?
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Old 06.12.2019, 18:36
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So the version we use is v3.8 but the latest vBulletin available is v5. Presumably an upgrade would fix the security holes? Any reason why the forum deities don't take that step?
Because if it goes anything like my other forum when they tried to upgrade vBulletin some years ago it would be a disaster. Had to roll back to the old 3.8.11 they were on.
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So the version we use is v3.8 but the latest vBulletin available is v5. Presumably an upgrade would fix the security holes? Any reason why the forum deities don't take that step?
Incompetence.
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Old 07.12.2019, 21:23
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Because if it goes anything like my other forum when they tried to upgrade vBulletin some years ago it would be a disaster. Had to roll back to the old 3.8.11 they were on.
I've upgraded vBulletin forums a couple of times back in my techier days, and all passed without a hitch. It's fairly straightforward but for any board admin who isn't confident, or who can't be arsed to do it, you can ask vBulletin themselves to handle the upgrade for you. I can't remember how much this cost back then -- around $100 i think. Probably more expensive now but well worth it to have an expert upgrade to a brand new, secure version with loads of additional features.

Maybe someone who knows the board owner could ask the question?
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I've upgraded vBulletin forums a couple of times back in my techier days, and all passed without a hitch. It's fairly straightforward but for any board admin who isn't confident, or who can't be arsed to do it, you can ask vBulletin themselves to handle the upgrade for you. I can't remember how much this cost back then -- around $100 i think. Probably more expensive now but well worth it to have an expert upgrade to a brand new, secure version with loads of additional features.

Maybe someone who knows the board owner could ask the question?
Already moved on to Discourse platform instead.
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Old 08.12.2019, 09:26
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Re: Replacing vBulletin with something more modern?

Why bother?

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