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They were shall we say, a group?
They were not exactly 5 random people from EF who spontaneously decided to leave.
Based on what?
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Ah yes I remember CaviarChips. Didn't like him much but would be a god send compared to some of the mods we have now.
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Old 05.02.2020, 15:26
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Ah yes I remember CaviarChips. Didn't like him much but would be a god send compared to some of the mods we have now.
We have mods?!
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Also why I asked 3Wishes to delete, or at least deactivate my account, as I donít feel comfortable with it (a reply is outstanding). I donít care if the messages remain, but I donít like lax security.
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So apparently the current version dates to 2009!



Vbulletin isn't exactly without security issues.


https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...Vbulletin.html
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Old 05.02.2020, 15:33
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My perception

I generally noticed them altogether, (plus another 2 or 3) same threads with same opinions. With the exception DB who was also everywhere else too.

Good / Bad / Co-Incidence
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My perception

I generally noticed them altogether, (plus another 2 or 3) same threads with same opinions. With the exception DB who was also everywhere else too.

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That's because is totally unheard of that on a public forum some people tend to agree with others. There's even a thank button for that.
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Thatís maybe why I have received email notifications (to my private email address) every 15 mins within in the past couple of days stating that someone is trying to hack my account.

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I donít like lax security.
Sorry to intervene, but if I understand correctly what's happening, that's not "lax security" at all. The login form must be always fully accessible, otherwise people could not log in, and this means that everybody on the internet can try to log in with your username. The same stands for Google, Amazon, Facebook, Credit Suisse or any other service on the network.

If a guy decides to come to your house and start using random keys on your door, that will be quite annoying, but I see no grounds to criticize the door as long as it doesn't open.

If your password is something that takes long to guess, they won't be able to find it in reasonable time, and they won't have access.

This said, I'm no happy either to see that the software here is 11 years old
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Old 05.02.2020, 15:51
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Hypothetically, seeing the account is deleted, the name should be avialable again.
Normally on this type of software the accounts are not deleted, just blocked and emptied from any associated data, and the post ownership is changed to a dummy user.
Recycling usernames would sooner or later lead to confusion...
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Old 05.02.2020, 15:52
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My perception

I generally noticed them altogether, (plus another 2 or 3) same threads with same opinions. With the exception DB who was also everywhere else too.

Good / Bad / Co-Incidence
Same as that, I noticed that some of the recently departed had similar thoughts on topics and when opinions differed from theirs they all fell on one side of the argument. It seems that some of the banned posters were on the other side and a lot of things became one sided recently.
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My perception

I generally noticed them altogether, (plus another 2 or 3) same threads with same opinions. With the exception DB who was also everywhere else too.

Good / Bad / Co-Incidence

Like cleaves to like, it happens IRL too. Doesn't mean there is some grand conspiracy or secret squirrel club. Or maybe there is. Either way, they decided not to be here any longer. It's sad but... free choice.

There also seems to be an issue with members agreeing en masse against something. That also happens IRL.

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That's because is totally unheard of that on a public forum some people tend to agree with others. There's even a thank button for that.
This. I agree and thank you. We should start a club. Knock thrice and kiss your elbow...
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Old 05.02.2020, 15:56
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If your password is something that takes long to guess, they won't be able to find it in reasonable time, and they won't have access.
Unless that is, the server / superuser password is easier to crack than that of an individual user, and suddenly a hacker has everybody's password.

We can all be s crafty as we can in picking our own passwords, but we have to trust that the likes of Editor Bob and The Local are being equally responsible. And it is entirely posisble that to The Local, we are just a bunch of useful idiots who generate the internet traffic that they commercialize. What's our security worth to them, compared to their convenience?
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Old 05.02.2020, 15:57
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https://forum.vbulletin.com/forum/vb...3-8-4-released


So apparently the current version dates to 2009!



Vbulletin isn't exactly without security issues.


https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...Vbulletin.html
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Sorry to intervene, but if I understand correctly what's happening, that's not "lax security" at all. The login form must be always fully accessible, otherwise people could not log in, and this means that everybody on the internet can try to log in with your username. The same stands for Google, Amazon, Facebook, Credit Suisse or any other service on the network.

If a guy decides to come to your house and start using random keys on your door, that will be quite annoying, but I see no grounds to criticize the door as long as it doesn't open.

If your password is something that takes long to guess, they won't be able to find it in reasonable time, and they won't have access.

This said, I'm no happy either to see that the software here is 11 years old

*I would guarantee you that your bank is running at least some key software more than 20 years old

They may have patched the exploits without updated the version.. maybe..
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Same as that, I noticed that some of the recently departed had similar thoughts on topics and when opinions differed from theirs they all fell on one side of the argument. It seems that some of the banned posters were on the other side and a lot of things became one sided recently.
You probably mean similar opinions in regards with certain subjects? That must be. Otherwise you'd reduce their EF posting history to only a few threads and it's entirely not true. They were EF members for more than 10 years, it's impossible they had similar thoughts all this time, on any given subject.

I don't know who you are talking about when referring to banned posters. A few were banned because they constantly broke the forum rules. When the forum still had some.
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Old 05.02.2020, 16:07
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I guess we should really not be discussing the dearly departed?
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I heard that they all left to join the cult of the Forever Banned.

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Unless that is, the server / superuser password is easier to crack than that of an individual user, and suddenly a hacker has everybody's password.
No, passwords are never stored in plain text. They might get admin powers, but they can't read which password you are using.

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Sure, I agree more than 100% But that's another issue. If you trusted them one month ago, getting some e-mail alert shouldn't have changed it.

I'm sure that in the past years there have been millions of attempts to log in as "admin", "moderator", "thelocal" and so on, because that's just the horrible daylife of any public server.
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Re: Mixed messages: EF deletion of posts

just to claify

DB did post an excellent flounce post

There is a 'secret' 1000 rep area on the forum

All the leavers do in fact live at the same house and gather each and every day to discuss what to post, when, and who they will argue with that day, at this very moment they are planning their new usernames and who'll they'll be taking revenge on (spoiler - its chuff)
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Unless that is, the server / superuser password is easier to crack than that of an individual user, and suddenly a hacker has everybody's password.

We can all be s crafty as we can in picking our own passwords, but we have to trust that the likes of Editor Bob and The Local are being equally responsible. And it is entirely posisble that to The Local, we are just a bunch of useful idiots who generate the internet traffic that they commercialize. What's our security worth to them, compared to their convenience?
Given that the mods apparently work day and night without compensation (or did I miss something), then that is worrying.
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Old 05.02.2020, 16:13
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I don't know who you are talking about when referring to banned posters. A few were banned because they constantly broke the forum rules. When the forum still had some.
Err...respectfully disagree. I was banned (temporarily) for groaning at a mod and then arguing with him via PM. He tended to support some of the departed. Coincidence? Sure. Apparently Brexit took the better of them
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at this very moment they are planning their new usernames and who'll they'll be taking revenge on (spoiler - its chuff)
Well, to be fair his name WAS mentioned in the secret squirrel group.

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