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I'd never bothered reading up about QAnon until this weekend when I spotted a fair number of their Q banners at the London and Berlin demos. Until then, they'd been a faint, near insignificant blip on my radar.
It should be a blip on everyone's radar and yet the world is growing more and more insane by the moment. I'm starting to wonder if they are putting something in the water...
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Old 01.09.2020, 08:52
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I do it in the discussions for entertainment. Otherwise for the opportunity to help other people needing help.
The impartial and providential user....

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I'd never bothered reading up about QAnon until this weekend when I spotted a fair number of their Q banners at the London and Berlin demos. Until then, they'd been a faint, near insignificant blip on my radar.
I looked them up, thank you for the laugh.

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Old 01.09.2020, 09:10
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Meh. Like I said a moment ago:


Nobody died, so why delete it? This whole forum doesn't matter. So why even bother commenting.
Don't try and apply logic to these things and don't let them get to you too much. In the end, some mods should not be mods as they don't have the objectivity and temperament for it.

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The post was removed for insulting language against another EF member.

Not only are such insults intimidation, it‘s a clear pointer that you have lost the argument.

Were I still a mod here, I would have explained this to you and banned you for a week...
Thankfully for the rest of us, you are not still a mod. Any mod worth their salt would be banning the known malicious trolls whose sole aim appears to be to work people up into a frenzy by incessantly posting hate, misinformation and outright lies in the COVID and politics threads.

EF has become a home for alt-right and alternative science nutters (and that unfortunately includes MC) and it is extremely disturbing.
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Old 01.09.2020, 10:01
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Re: Biased moderation

Last night, MC was adding her thanks to certain posts on this thread that in some way supported her position. Happily, those thanks are now gone. Perhaps our call out for change is being heard and, even better, effecting change.
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Old 01.09.2020, 10:38
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I know. I come from a family full of Libertarians, and I've seen dozens of family and friends out themselves as right-wing crazies (and left-wing crazies – the political spectrum is a circle, the extremes look the same). Libertarians love to instigate. I've learned that you can either respond or stay quiet, all to the same effect. But my point isn't to change minds, but rather to show solidarity to other sane, balanced, big-picture folks around me. So when I go off on someone, it's not for them. It's to try and put an end to the acquiescent reputation of us lefties. Bring it on I say.
There you have it: the cause of the issue. Some things that trigger you are irrelevant for others.

Thanks for the effort for fighting for the truth, but from outside it doesn't look like "solidarity to other sane, balanced, big-picture folks". It looks just like going off on someone for a stupid or trivial thing.
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If you were a mod, EVERYONE would be banned for a week.
I wouldn't have been, just to be clear
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Old 01.09.2020, 13:19
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I thought the plan these days was to go off on people for doing stupid things. I seem to hear a lot from the right wingers, harking back to the halcyon days of not everyone getting a participation trophy.

There are plenty of people on here who are the equivalent of the participation trophy kids, thinking their nonsense is in some way important or useful because of the kid gloves approach.
Right-wingers? Where you find them? Talking right-wing stuff on the train or the next table in the restaurant? A work colleague or a right-wing customer being unprofessional? I pretty much lived my life in CH without talking to idiots. You'd have to make the effort to find them, spend time with them and then complain about them. Also, we all say a lot of stupid things in public: meetings, during dinner, while talking on the train. The worst is now I can understand stupid stuff on 5-6 languages. But what to do? Going off on them? I'm starting to worry an ancient BB is the only connection to the world for some people.

On freedom of speech: I'd take the nonsense everyday and murk through it to find something useful over the carefully curated selection of someone that believes being infallible. My duty is to filter, not only to read the right things.

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Old 01.09.2020, 13:39
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There you have it: the cause of the issue. Some things that trigger you are irrelevant for others.

Thanks for the effort for fighting for the truth, but from outside it doesn't look like "solidarity to other sane, balanced, big-picture folks". It looks just like going off on someone for a stupid or trivial thing.
I strongly disagree.

The UK is currently stuck with a self-professed Libertarian PM who lacks the will to be authoritarian when it's required, with disasterous consequences.

When I was a kid, I had a huge crush on one of my brother's mates and hung on his every word. He was the vice president of an anti-fascist political group. My brother used to fob his views off as an overreaction...until his friend's house was fire bombed. Now...he used to tell me about the structure and connections between far right groups around the world. I could see Combat 18 and Column 88 every week at football matches, so I know they were real and present, but I wondered about others such as the Grey Wolves. In 1981, a member of the Grey Wolves attempted to assasinate Pope John Paul II, and I knew they were real too.

A few years later, I began to hear of Jörg Haider in Austria. Despite all the controversy surrounding him, he and the FPÖ went from strength to strength.

You wrote - "Some things that trigger you are irrelevant for others."
Whilst I'd normally agree to a certain extent, because people can fall down the rabbit hole of misguided beliefs, I've found it's always wise to keep an eye on these people and store titbits in the back of your brain so that you (hopefully) know one when you see them, and recognise them for what they truly are. What we've seen over the past 6yrs is the rise of far right and far left groups in main stream politics, and how libertarian leaders can wittingly or unwittingly enable them. That's not being 'triggered'. That's being aware of your surroundings and the ever evolving political landscape.
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Old 01.09.2020, 16:34
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Old 01.09.2020, 16:40
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Re: Biased moderation

@blueangel, the topic was about 2-3 commenters posting fringe views on the covid19.

Truly crazy people wouldn't even stay around here because there's no ideological purity. The crazy dynamics of an extremist group are simply not here, there's not a purge of impure members, or sending the young on missions to prove their bravery and willingness to sacrifice for the cause....whatever it is.

I fail to follow the reference to JPII. On 1981 one assassin tried to kill him and the following year a Roman Catholic priest also tried to kill him. The priest was from Spain, not sure if he was into football or not. What can we conclude beyond being famous is risky and that there are extremists of all flavors?

But you're right on your last point, it's always good to keep an eye on the current developments. I'm more worried about young incels full of redbull. I've heard one of my nephews tells stupid things related to hypergamy and sh*t. The problem is the kid takes things too seriously, it's a damned bore and bores don't get laid...so it's a damned negative feedback loop. Tried talking to him, giving him a couple beers to see if there's a glimpse of relaxation and spend less time in the realm of ideas and more time in our physical world. The important here is that I know my nephew, at least we talk every once in a while. Judging anonymous people on the internet is just prejudice.

@hartmoss, we're around here to avoid boredom, so enjoy your fascist hunt on a bulletin board.
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I always saved my political commentary for other forums, until that coronavirus thread got started and the QAnon members started coming out of the woodwork. I can't stomach the conspiracy theorists and 20/20 hindsight libertarians. So I'm a little more direct than usual.
I get where you're coming from. On EF's sister site, Toytown Germany, there's a Brit living in rural Bavaria who has gone from being a harmless stay-at-home dad with an interest in gardening to a monomaniac QAnon enthusiast who posts solely QAnon stuff and believes every QAnon theory going, e.g. that Donald Trump is saviour of the world, Michelle Obama is a man and the world is run by paedophiles like Bill and Hillary Clinton. Why a Brit living in Germany would be so obsessed to the exclusion of all else with US politics, let alone US conspiracy theories, is hard to understand but he certainly is. He has gone quiet recently, though, perhaps because the posters guaranteed to rise to the bait stopped replying. The site also got rid of its negative rep button years ago, which can not only be used to bully and exclude but is also something contrarian posters can feed off, and is a lot better for it, IMO.
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Old 01.09.2020, 18:11
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The site also got rid of its negative rep button years ago, which can not only be used to bully and exclude but is also something contrarian posters can feed off, and is a lot better for it, IMO.
Where is Omtatsat gone?

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Just checked. Apparently permanently banned.
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And for some of us, MC is one of the few reasons for sticking around. Do you really want EF to become an SJW echo chamber? It is nearly so already as anyone who has gone against the general narrative here is shouted down and ostracized. And most have left.

How CHUFF can claim that the EF is full of "Alt-right Nutters" is beyond me.

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Although the above post was correctly deleted, I think MC should step down as a mod and become a commoner again. She simply doesn’t have the finesse to mod appropriately and has caused countless posters to become angry and disillusioned.

I’m sure she’s a wonderful person but her strong opinions and omnipresence doesn’t sit pretty with modding expectations.

I wonder if this post will get me kicked off the forum?

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And for some of us, MC is one of the few reasons for sticking around. Do you really want EF to become an SJW echo chamber? It is nearly so already as anyone who has gone against the general narrative here is shouted down and ostracized.

How CHUFF can claim that the EF is full of "Alt-right Nutters" is beyond me.
See, this is what I don't get. You're making points here that are totally irrelevant and inapplicable to the comments you quote. Nobody said MC should leave, just that she's a poor moderator. You respond that she's the reason people stick around. Ok, so what? Do people stick around because she deletes the posts she and they disagree with? If so, do you expect that to be acceptable for the rest of us?

Also, Chuff said the right-wing nutters are suddenly appearing and getting more vocal (which reflects what's happening around the world). You take that to mean there's nothing but rwnjs on the forum. Not at all what he said.

This is a common thing I find among Libertarians (not sure if you are one). They like to bend, misconstrue, oversimplify and distill complex arguments down to irrelevant and easily stated nonsense, then claim everyone's getting worked up over nothing. My question is whether it's intentional or due to some sort of obtuse and subconscious denial of the big picture. But they'll keep going, enjoying getting folks even more worked up until someone calls them out for instigating, and then along comes a mod like MC to delete a very well-deserved chastisement.
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