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Old 08.12.2020, 11:17
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When I joined EF over 13 years ago it was a place to find help and advice as an international person settling in CH
I originally came to EF to raise the Google profile of my food blog - which is since defunct.

It is quite a useful searchable resource if you are trying to get started on finding the first useful snippets of information on some aspect of life in CH.

Sadly, such threads are too often turned into a sniping ground for the usual keyboard warriors telling newbies to go Google / use the search. Consequently, many forum searches turn up useless results on a more regular basis. My philosophy is: if you don't have anything useful to add to a thread, particularly where the OP has assked for specific information, then don't add anything at all.

What I don't like in this thread is people making quite personal and aggressive comments about some of the moderators and other users and it goes unchecked - presumably due to staff shortages. I don't always agree with the moderators when a thread gets closed etc, but they are doing a job as best they can for the most part.

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Old 08.12.2020, 11:24
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I actually stopped using the EF for a while precisely because of Tony Clifton's constant barrage of comments in the Coronavirus thread. It had become impossible to read that thread because it was being completely dominated by his relentless pursuit to convince everyone that masks are ineffective...
Really. Learn how to use the ignore function. I've a handful of people on mine, just because their posts are usually tiresome, unsubstantiated brainfarts. But I stay away from threads that attract these sad lonely bitter individuals.

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Old 08.12.2020, 11:25
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I do that too. And I agree is bloody addictive. These silly arguments generate traffic and banning ahem, controversial users, is counter-productive....otherwise the silence from EB et co. is unjustifiable.
Interesting... I never considered that -- that contrarian posters would generate more traffic here, thus benefiting the Forum Overlords.

I do remember reading an article once where one of the founding members of Facebook talked about how they will intentionally put stuff in people's feeds to piss them off so that the user will engage and become trapped in an ongoing argument and thus, spend more time on FB. So perhaps it shouldn't be surprising if something like that goes on here as well, behind the scenes.
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:25
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Re: Mod coup

It looked like this all started because of the treatment of some alleged trolls. Of course, you have to recognise that any forum is prone to being infested with trolls and this naturally leads to the question of how to deal with them, including measures like banning etc. However, there is the dilemma that, for a site which is dependent on advertising revenue, one man's troll is another man's click bait generator.

There appears to be several categories of trolls here:

1. The omtatsat type (the only name I will mention here), who would, during quiet times, fish something out of current Swiss or World affairs and open up a discussion or appear to take an absurd position on issues. He had voiced opinions which were not shared by everyone but appeared otherwise harmless.

2. Those who are clearly pursuing a narrowly focussed political agenda, have appeared out of nowhere, with transparently bogus attempts to create some "history" here to lend their adopted personas some veneer of plausibility. These often appear impervious to any argument, responding with systematic repetition.

3. Those who simply add one liners to a thread designed to challenge the integrity or otherwise insult one of the other thread participants as a sort of sport. Or pick on some poor soul in the process explaining a predicament they find themselves in, to inform them, self righteously, that they are the author of their own misfortunes and are getting what they deserve.

There may be others which I have missed.

Well, it looks now like banning is a risky solution (especially if some of the banned ones were generating welcome traffic on the site). However, if the situation is left unmanaged, the site will degenerate further like say Wikipedia which is being ruined by resourceful special interest groups, editing "facts" to suit themselves until it is thoroughly discredited.
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:26
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ah, more than one pm.
Nah, he means the mod superpower to invoke Premenstrual syndrome (PMS)
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:28
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As for calling people snowflakes, well that says more about you, as it seems to me that everyone you dislike or have on your radar for one reason or another is a snowflake.
I actually don't dislike anyone here. Now wrap your head around that Funnily I don't even dislike Chuff He just sounds like an 11-year old trying to act 12

Snowflakes is just a loving term from me for someone who can't handle opposing views. Is Chuff your boyfriend? You sound very defensive about him. He is a big 11-year-old and can handle himself
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:30
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Bars appreciate the business of heavy drinkers until they stab other customers.
Exactly the sort of bars full of heavy drinkers that I avoid in real life, whatever real life is.
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I'm usually sitting here writing my book and then peek on here

So you are stealing material for your book? Will we get a cut too from your next bestseller?
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:31
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In the last couple of days I have noticed, if I post a picture ir no longer shows but needs to be clicked. This is not the same for other posters, does the hacker have it in for me too?
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:34
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I actually stopped using the EF for a while precisely because of Tony Clifton's constant barrage of comments in the Coronavirus thread. It had become impossible to read that thread because it was being completely dominated by his relentless pursuit to convince everyone that masks are ineffective, that people are overreacting about the pandemic, that restrictions don't help control the spread, etc. Even after putting him on my ignore list because of that, his views were still essentially dominating that thread.

Imagine going into a thread about ovarian cancer or childhood leukemia where people are trying to have informed, intelligent discussions and yet there is one guy, in particular, whose constant posts telling people that ovarian cancer is no big deal have come to dominate the thread. That's what that Coronavirus thread had become, in my opinion. And it was ridiculously frustrating to try to have to weed through all of that in order to try to find any relevant or informative or helpful information regarding COVID and this pandemic.

So then a few days ago, I came back onto the EF and was reading through the Coronavirus thread and realized that... Wow. People are actually engaging in intelligent and informative discussions in here, without Tony's contrarian views constantly dominating it like before. And then eventually I learned that he had been blocked and I realized that that's why the tone of that thread had changed so dramatically... for the better.

Anyways, that's just my thoughts on it. Sorry for the thesis.
You won't be able to read my response to this because as you so often remind everyone, you put me on your ignore list. However as your attempts to bring this thread on to Coronavirus and me personally approaches double figures, then I'm going to make use of my right of reply.

It is disingenuous to compare the Coronavirus response to cancer, trying to provoke an emotional reaction by comparing it to childhood leukemia just looks shabby. Also ironic considering how cancer rates have spiraled across the globe in 2020 thanks to our focus on Covid 19.

You have the ignore function and you've used it, which is absolutely fine by me. I also ignore members that grind my gears. This should be the end of the matter, however your total intolerance for other people's opinions, on topics which are very much still up for debate, whereby even the country in which you live is adopting measures that you don't agree with, means that you want to shutdown any sort of debate on matters you oppose?! This is not how an online forum should work!

I'll tell you why it changed for the better with you, it's because the discussion had basically been left with only people who agree with you. Well this isn't how the real world works either. If you want to have that environment, go to any social media platform where you can tailor your user experience to reading what likeminded people think.

I am not a contrarian, and I believe firmly in what I write and do my best to back it up with evidence and reasoned logic. If you used the ignore function yet still have a problem with me, then I'm afraid that is not my fault at all.
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:36
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You won't be able to read my response to this because as you've so often remind everyone, you put me on your ignore list. However as your attempts to bring this thread on to Coronavirus and me personally approaches double figures, then I'm going to make use of my right of reply.

It is disingenuous to compare the Coronavirus response to cancer, trying to provoke an emotional reaction by comparing it to childhood leukemia just looks shabby. Also ironic considering how cancer rates have spiraled across the globe in 2020 thanks to our focus on Covid 19.

You have the ignore function and you've used it, which is absolutely fine by me. I also ignore members that grind my gears. This should be the end of the matter, however your total intolerance for other people's opinions, on topics which are very much still up for debate, whereby even the country in which you live is adopting measures that you don't agree with, means that you want to shutdown any sort of debate on matters you oppose?! This is not how an online forum should work!

I'll tell you why it changed for the better with you, it's because the discussion had basically been left with only people who agree with you. Well this isn't how the real world works either. If you want to have that environment, go to any social media platform where you can tailor your user experience to reading what likeminded people think.

I am not a contrarian, and I believe firmly in what I write and do my best to back it up with evidence and reasoned logic. If you used the ignore function yet still have a problem with me, then I'm afraid that is not my fault at all.
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Old 08.12.2020, 11:37
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Imagine if Editor Bob was a troll himself? Sure helps with the forum traffic

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You just not tech-savvy. You should fax the image to EF
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Is Chuff your boyfriend? You sound very defensive about him. He is a big 11-year-old and can handle himself
I wanted to ask you the same thing but I decided I don't give a toss. Now wrap your head around it.
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I've just noticed something, not sure if it's the norm, but it seems that I still have the power to close this thread, presumably just because I started it.

Should I pretend I'm still a moderator and close it to stop the stupid bickering?
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You won't be able to read my response to this because as you've so often remind everyone, you put me on your ignore list. However as your attempts to bring this thread on to Coronavirus and me personally approaches double figures, then I'm going to make use of my right of reply.

It is disingenuous to compare the Coronavirus response to cancer, trying to provoke an emotional reaction by comparing it to childhood leukemia just looks shabby. Also ironic considering how cancer rates have spiraled across the globe in 2020 thanks to our focus on Covid 19.

You have the ignore function and you've used it, which is absolutely fine by me. I also ignore members that grind my gears. This should be the end of the matter, however your total intolerance for other people's opinions, on topics which are very much still up for debate, whereby even the country in which you live is adopting measures that you don't agree with, means that you want to shutdown any sort of debate on matters you oppose?! This is not how an online forum should work!

I'll tell you why it changed for the better with you, it's because the discussion had basically been left with only people who agree with you. Well this isn't how the real world works either. If you want to have that environment, go to any social media platform where you can tailor your user experience to reading what likeminded people think.

I am not a contrarian, and I believe firmly in what I write and do my best to back it up with evidence and reasoned logic. If you used the ignore function yet still have a problem with me, then I'm afraid that is not my fault at all.
Actually, I can read your posts now because I removed you from my ignore list about an hour ago just to see if you were still posting your bulls***. I see nothing's changed in that regard.

Your inability to understand analogy is not my problem.

I have no problem with people who I disagree with or who disagree with me. I have had plenty of calm disagreements with people here and we still treat one another respectfully afterward. As I had stated in my post, I have a problem with having to weed through countless and seemingly endless posts containing misinformation and circular arguments in order to have to find useful or relevant information.

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Obsessed? I do not care about the "in crowd" my only issue with SOME of them is their willingness to get everyone with opposing views banned. I would hate a place where everyone would agree with me.

Oh! "In crowd" does NOT = "Cool kids" Have I been mean to anyone on this forum

No idea what you are going on about but do let it all out

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have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions.


Notice something, I have consistently been PRO mask wearing on this forum. I have even had 4 semi-dangerous confrontations with non mask wearers in real life, yet I don't want any anti mask wearers to be banned here. If I as a 12 year old can deal with opposing views, surely a snowflake like you can too?


P.S- I don't know you directly from the forum. Just responding to your points directly aimed at me
Yeah I know what you meant by snowflake. It's an insult aimed at folk who can't cope with alt views. Ironically often hurled first by those ... who can't cope with opposing views.
What apparently makes folks "snowflakes" on here is having the temerity to stand up. You talk a good game but I think you're really just enjoying skirting the line.

As for the other stuff - Google is your friend. Enjoy.

I don't know you either. I've been around for a while.
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Should I pretend I'm still a moderator and close it to stop the stupid bickering?
Definitely not, nobody mentioning BREXIT, that would change.
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He is a big 11-year-old and can handle himself
I didn't realize that he had gotten past the terrible twos.

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Luckily it will not be for long.
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