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Maybe what this tells the mods is that bannings of regular and established members should go through a democratic voting process (on the mod level) rather than just being decided by 1 or 2 mods. Otherwise, some may not accept such decisions.
Yep, that's the process we (or is it "they", now?) use. You'll never guess which mods had nothing to say for around 24 hours when asked for their input on the banning of TonyClifton and V__.
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It's mirfield isn't it?
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By allowing certain elements to spread misinformation and repeatedly make statements that incite breaking what is currently the law, one could argue that the user is in contravention of the Code of Conduct that one agrees to upon signing up:


Why have a code of conduct if you are not going to enforce it?
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Unless they are active, who would be sad enough to mod a forum they have no part in specially as unpaid.
I know! It's just like thinking about who would be sad enough to stay an active member of a forum specifically for people who live in Switzerland... when they no longer actually live in Switzerland? Those people really must have nothing better to do with their time...
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I completely agree with this. Some people have relentlessly spread a LOT of false information and propaganda and have done all through the COVID and Trump/Biden threads. Some of it is really mind boggling to read.
Yes, itís called freedom of speech!

It is up to those with access to what they deem as REAL news to counter absurd statements, not simply ban those they donít agree with...
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I'm hesitant to raise this in public, but it seems that I have no choice. I hope that it gets resolved quickly and removed from public view.

Something is not well in the moderator team.

A decision that was taken after consultation to ban certain members has been reversed.

22 yards, who proposed the ban, and myself, who supported it, have been removed from the Super Moderator and Moderator groups. Not only that, but our ability to send private messages has been artificially revoked, so we can't even message the other mods.

Another mod who is still a mod has contacted me to say she's been locked out of certain mod action. I can't reply though.

There are three possible culprits.
1. Another mod.
2. Editor Bob.
3. A hacker.

There has been something very rotten in the mod team for a very long time now. I doubt you have been hacked.



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The whole mod system needs a complete overhaul and has done for some time.

No one mod should have supreme power and be able to override decisions and block other mods from discussions. Thatís not how a democratic system works and is totally despicable behaviour.

As annoying as those two posters are, not for what they say as much as how they say it, I did think a permaban was over the top. Regardless of that there are far better ways for a mod to raise an objection than what has apparently taken place.
This absolutely. Though for spreading dangerous disinformation TC should have gone.


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This is worrisome.

You and 22Yards have done a great job keeping the forum on an even keel, and I am grateful for all your hard work.

I hope Editor Bob reverses whatever he (or whoever) has done, and then comes on here to explain himself.
Maybe we could message EB en masse?

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Yep, that's the process we (or is it "they", now?) use. You'll never guess which mods had nothing to say for around 24 hours when asked for their input on the banning of TonyClifton and V__.

Well I suspect we are all successfully reading between the lines.

It's outrageous - though sadly not a surprise - that a team of self-defined "equals" is not as equal as they thought. There has clearly been a massive imbalance for some time.

I hope this matter is set right.
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Old 07.12.2020, 12:59
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mod don't seem to have the spread rep and time limit as other users.

so if you have a fan mod...
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Maybe if you didn't devote your entire forum energy since some months now to spreading BS and misinformation about COVID, then you wouldn't get so many red blobs and passive aggressive comments. I'd say that you deserve all of them.
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I canít think who that could be.
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Old 07.12.2020, 13:02
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Yes, it’s called freedom of speech!

It is up to those with access to what they deem as REAL news to counter absurd statements, not simply ban those they don’t agree with...
If that "freedom of speech" breaches the policies of the platform they are on then yes, of course they can censor people. That's why even Facebook and Twitter, under mounting pressure, are starting to fight against misinformation in politics and health because it is their responsibility as platform owners to do so.

You are living in a bygone era if you think you can any longer just say what you want, when you want, where you want and then hide behind the "freedom of speech" spiel. Misinformation is becoming a real threat in today's society.
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Old 07.12.2020, 13:02
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Maybe what this tells the mods is that bannings of regular and established members should go through a democratic voting process (on the mod level) rather than just being decided by 1 or 2 mods. Otherwise, some may not accept such decisions.

A persons eyes definitely 'do not do the same thing' as an ignore list.
I am sure the banning of the two in question went through the usual democratic process (on the mod level) unless you actually have evidence to the contrary?

For the future, I recommend EF sets up a mod alias to be used just for banning to show it was a joint decision and so reactions do not get personal
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Hello everyone,

It was not my intention to comment on this thread but it seems not to be clear to everyone what has happened.

Last week I was given a permanent for ďextensive trolling together with spreading lies and misinformationĒ this is something that I regretted a great deal as I felt it was neither true nor fair. For this reason, I appealed my ban with The Local. This morning I found that my ban has been lifted, for which I am grateful. I did not ask that any moderators be removed. This is all that I know.

This stems from the Coronavirus thread that has essentially descended into a culture war. Itís frustrating when doing ones best to post links from reputable sources, and trying to back this up with reasoned argument to get denounced as a troll. Itís never been my intention provoke a response, I am far from perfect however I have always tried as far as possible to remain civil.

I have been labelled a ďflat eartherĒ, ďanti-vaxxerĒ, ďpsychopathĒ and ďTrump supporterĒ. None of these insults is true and more than one has come from a moderator. Nor were such smears ever moderated or policed in a fair manner, despite the posts having been reported. It is my opinion that moderators should take part in forum discussions, but at the same time should not abuse their powers to silence/bully members who they donít agree with. Therefore if one or more moderators has indeed lost their positions then I think itís the correct outcome. The moderation process is very murky and not at all transparent and high time for a shakeup. Again only my opinion.

I canít abide bullying, and it goes on far too often on this platform. I have had messages from people who donít post anymore because they have grown weary of the atmosphere, and have witnessed how so many first time posters get piled on for asking the same simple questions about life in Switzerland that Iím sure the vast majority of long term members had once upon a time.

Going forward I will try to be mindful about what I write to that it doesnít come across as provocative and try and carryon contributing to the forum in this manner. Wish you all a pleasant week!

Best wishes,
Tony
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Old 07.12.2020, 13:07
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Yes, itís called freedom of speech!

It is up to those with access to what they deem as REAL news to counter absurd statements, not simply ban those they donít agree with...
What do you mean by "freedom of speech"? Are you including libel, slander, defamation of character, spreading misinformation, mobbing, &&&?

Such "freedom of speech" is not allowed in any country or any reputable social media.
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I am sure the banning of the two in question went through the usual democratic process (on the mod level) unless you actually have evidence to the contrary?
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That is two people there. There is no indication that all mods voted on or agreed to it and he didn't say anyone else supported it apart from him.

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Last week I was given a permanent for “extensive trolling together with spreading lies and misinformation” this is something that I regretted a great deal as I felt it was neither true nor fair.
I'm sure that is open to debate.
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I think neither Tony Clifton nor V__ should be banned.
I have no idea why those two are now discussed on a thread which is about a technical problem/lack!

The software is ancient. How many people have brought that up over the years? They're probably all banned

I think it's an interesting problem (technically) and roegner seems to be able to mod but not to rep? What does Editor Bob have to say about it, is he looking into it?
I just handed out some reps - it's not a general problem. While I'm sure it's much more fun for many to speculate about culprits, I personally am more interested in the technical part of what's going on.
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It is my opinion that moderators should take part in forum discussions, but at the same time should not abuse their powers to silence/bully members who they donít agree with. Therefore if one or more moderators has indeed lost their positions then I think itís the correct outcome. The moderation process is very murky and not at all transparent and high time for a shakeup. Again only my opinion.

I canít abide bullying, and it goes on far too often on this platform. I have had messages from people who donít post anymore because they have grown weary of the atmosphere, and have witnessed how so many first time posters get piled on for asking the same simple questions about life in Switzerland that Iím sure the vast majority of long term members had once upon a time.
I think this sums uo how the majority of posters feel tbh however this only seems to be a problem in one direction re the mods. I have certainly only been silenced/edited by two mods on here, neither of whom have been demoted.

There is an enormous amount of bullying. However I do think that some of the worst perpetrators are entirely blinkered and wilfully oblivious to their actions.
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That is two people there. There is no indication that all mods voted on or agreed to it and he didn't say anyone else supported it apart from him.
At least four mods were involved in the discussion over the course of 2 days, and all of us agreed. One was notable by their absence from said discussion, despite being online on and off throughout that period.

That first post that you quoted was not attempting to share the ins and outs of the discussion, just that the two of us have apparently been kicked out.
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I completely agree with this. Some people have relentlessly spread a LOT of false information and propaganda and have done all through the COVID and Trump/Biden threads. Some of it is really mind boggling to read.
They would be banned or called out officially on Twitter and now Facebook/Instagram - why should we continuously allow it here? I agree with the ban, this isn't a ban due to a "difference of opinion", these are lives at stake and many of us here have been personally affected by the pandemic.
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