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Old 11.06.2021, 14:30
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Re: Mod shakeup

You are so blindfolded by the personal vendettas you've got against FMF that you fail to see the huge value that he's been adding over the years to this forum.

Like Polymath said, FMF's posts in Finance sub-forum were the reason I joined this forum too after 2 years of lurking. The quality of certain of its sub-threads surpass the quality of forums dedicated to investing.

I've got no idea about this forum's history and I couldn't care less, that makes me objective. All I've seen is FMF always being helpful and friendly towards newcomers, helping out and taking the time to answer questions that some have been already answered in the past, probably by him too. Unlike other members that take the opportunity to 'Have you tried the search function '.

I remember a certain post some months ago, stating that FMF should not be a member of this forum as he no longer lives in Switzerland. But, it's the exact opposite, he continues to contribute to this forum even though he no longer lives here, it's crazy!

TLDR: Get over your personal vendettas as they are not interesting anyone and try and see how members that you don't like make valuable contributions to the Forum as a whole.
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Old 11.06.2021, 14:31
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Re: Mod shakeup

Someone wanting to be a mod here must be like the equivalent of someone wanting to manage an insane asylum.

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To follow up on this, I'm not sure if people are aware just how many members have been banned for having the "wrong opinions". Almost always by the same moderators.
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Old 11.06.2021, 14:38
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Well obviously it's MC and she knows what has happened and doesn't want to tell us to protect those 'envolved', which are presumably you and Ace1. You should be thanking her!?
"MC" as in musical chairs, you just have to be sitting on one when the music stops?
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Old 11.06.2021, 14:48
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You are so blindfolded by the personal vendettas you've got against FMF that you fail to see the huge value that he's been adding over the years to this forum.

Like Polymath said, FMF's posts in Finance sub-forum were the reason I joined this forum too after 2 years of lurking. The quality of certain of its sub-threads surpass the quality of forums dedicated to investing.

I've got no idea about this forum's history and I couldn't care less, that makes me objective. All I've seen is FMF always being helpful and friendly towards newcomers, helping out and taking the time to answer questions that some have been already answered in the past, probably by him too. Unlike other members that take the opportunity to 'Have you tried the search function '.

I remember a certain post some months ago, stating that FMF should not be a member of this forum as he no longer lives in Switzerland. But, it's the exact opposite, he continues to contribute to this forum even though he no longer lives here, it's crazy!

TLDR: Get over your personal vendettas as they are not interesting anyone and try and see how members that you don't like make valuable contributions to the Forum as a whole.
yep, congrats FMF! good stuff!
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Old 11.06.2021, 15:02
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You are so blindfolded by the personal vendettas you've got against FMF that you fail to see the huge value that he's been adding over the years to this forum.

Like Polymath said, FMF's posts in Finance sub-forum were the reason I joined this forum too after 2 years of lurking. The quality of certain of its sub-threads surpass the quality of forums dedicated to investing.

I've got no idea about this forum's history and I couldn't care less, that makes me objective. All I've seen is FMF always being helpful and friendly towards newcomers, helping out and taking the time to answer questions that some have been already answered in the past, probably by him too. Unlike other members that take the opportunity to 'Have you tried the search function '.

I remember a certain post some months ago, stating that FMF should not be a member of this forum as he no longer lives in Switzerland. But, it's the exact opposite, he continues to contribute to this forum even though he no longer lives here, it's crazy!

TLDR: Get over your personal vendettas as they are not interesting anyone and try and see how members that you don't like make valuable contributions to the Forum as a whole.
I don’t see this thread as showing any particular outrage towards FMF. It’s more about what the heck happened, why did it happen and what/who was the motivating factor behind it. I personally liked Ace and 22yards as mods and am saddened by the way they were disrespectfully de-modded. How can a forum expect respect from posters when they clearly show little respect towards those volunteering?
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Old 11.06.2021, 15:14
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Re: Mod shakeup

Apparently, I have already given out too much rep today, but I appreciate your post.

While Editor Bob responded to a question that I sent him some months ago, I wish he would make an occasional appearance here or even appoint someone from TheLocal or here to make some official statements when necessary.

WRT respect for Mods toiling away for free, I 100% agree with olygirl. How can TheLocal not give them even a modicum of respect for their long term contributions to make the EF a better place?!?

Not a classy move, IMO...

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I don’t see this thread as showing any particular outrage towards FMF. It’s more about what the heck happened, why did it happen and what/who was the motivating factor behind it. I personally liked Ace and 22yards as mods and am saddened by the way they were disrespectfully de-modded. How can a forum expect respect from posters when they clear show little respect towards those volunteering?
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You are so blindfolded by the personal vendettas you've got against FMF that you fail to see the huge value that he's been adding over the years to this forum.

Like Polymath said, FMF's posts in Finance sub-forum were the reason I joined this forum too after 2 years of lurking. The quality of certain of its sub-threads surpass the quality of forums dedicated to investing.

I've got no idea about this forum's history and I couldn't care less, that makes me objective. All I've seen is FMF always being helpful and friendly towards newcomers, helping out and taking the time to answer questions that some have been already answered in the past, probably by him too. Unlike other members that take the opportunity to 'Have you tried the search function '.

I remember a certain post some months ago, stating that FMF should not be a member of this forum as he no longer lives in Switzerland. But, it's the exact opposite, he continues to contribute to this forum even though he no longer lives here, it's crazy!

TLDR: Get over your personal vendettas as they are not interesting anyone and try and see how members that you don't like make valuable contributions to the Forum as a whole.
FMF undoubtedly does make good contributions to the forum. He is also a troll and a trouble maker. I say this as someone who is Facebook friends with him and met him a few times face to face.

He loves to cause a bit of mischief and it seems he’s hit the jackpot with this.
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Old 11.06.2021, 15:18
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Re: Mod shakeup

I think that a mod ought to try to apply the rules of the forum fairly. Beyond that, I don't think that a mod necessarily has to be neutral in his or her personal opinions, politics or stance on any issue.

Since there are rules about netiquette, though, at the very least mods ought to refrain from posting (whether with their mod hat on, about modding, or just general posts) in a way that is likely to sting. It behooves everyone on a forum, and a mod the more so, to be polite.
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Old 11.06.2021, 15:20
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A group of former posters actually created a rival forum and had it up and running. Unfortunately, there just wasn't enough interest so it all led to a lonely road with little traffic and no real significance.
yes it was porsh, me and economisto discussing game of thrones
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Old 11.06.2021, 15:21
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I think your definition of troll is much different than mine...

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FMF undoubtedly does make good contributions to the forum. He is also a troll and a trouble maker. I say this as someone who is Facebook friends with him and met him a few times face to face.

He loves to cause a bit of mischief and it seems he’s hit the jackpot with this.
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Old 11.06.2021, 15:22
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yes it was porsh, me and economisto discussing game of thrones
Wasn’t mcDB also involved?
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I think your definition of troll is much different than mine...
Your definition is probably wrong then.

FMF absolutely posts in order to get a reaction out of people and he's very good at it.

That doesn't mean he doesn't sometimes post useful stuff as well. Indeed I've been invested in FS for some years now!
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Wasn’t mcDB also involved?
and a few others, I think economisto fell out with the mods on here and set up englishtalk.ch. it started off quite well with many users then trickled into tumbleweed territory.
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yes it was porsh, me and economisto discussing game of thrones
Was some good times on ET. Unfortunately we were subjected to some bizarre and sustained Vietnamese hacking attacks that killed what little activity there was.

It just wasn't worth it at the end
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Old 11.06.2021, 16:17
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Great start to being a moderator FMF -
Reminds me of when I started moderating. But I got better. I'm now the second best moderator. Out of two.

I remember one guy who was convinced that I was out to get him. I wasn't. But I changed my avatar to V for Vendetta - apparently it didn't help.

What I find baffling is how many people actually care about infractions and things.
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Old 11.06.2021, 16:28
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Re: Mod shakeup

Looks like I missed all the action here. Was doing less important things like riding a bike for the last 5hrs and getting some vitamin D.

So 2 mods got stuck off and FMF got made a mod? Is that correct summary? Plus the usual forum drama

I feel sleepy now, too much sun I think.
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Old 11.06.2021, 16:51
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Re: Mod shakeup

As opposed to dozens of forums I've been in years, this one makes it hard to see who are the mods, and in a way I must say that I like that. When I was mod and/or admin, we usually stick to the 'be clear what are mod interventions' eg do it on another color, plus write in PM explanations for all those things that'd be nice to not be repeated and so on. Works for smaller forums.

Also, if someone causes too much work for mod by their spamming, trolling and what not, that's perfect reason to ban them (for a few hours, days or whatever is agreed upon in mod guidelines). I saw someone said that then mod needs to take a break, and I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

Mods aren't here to be abused by any troll or someone on personal vendeta. Nor they're here to abuse others of course. If the purpose of the forum is to have a safe, nice environment where people gather and share experiences. I think this forum wants to be that place, and I didn't notice mod abuse. But I'm new, I don't belong to any circle, so it's easier to read something as a sentence without hidden meaning, because I don't carry a ton of information I've gathered through years.

I understand that with time being impartial doesn't work.

In the 'offense' in question, I must say that I didn't interpret any side as they've presented here, but again, I don't know back stories.

Maybe it's good to step back and try to see how not to moderate person, but a post.
That part is the hardest thing to do as a mod/admin.
And sometimes people need to remind themselves to do that - moderate post, not a person.

I agree with @doropfiz in that the mods don't have to be without opinion, it's just that they have to follow the rules they made as we others do.

I also agree that demoting someone without any explanation is shitty thing to do.
You just don't do that.
If you want to build a community (and earn from it through ads), then you respect members AND mods.

That being said, I have experience with similarly led forum from Croatia, when owner comes and just kicks out/puts in without actually taking any time to really comprehend social nuances around it. Yes, it's also financed by ads.
And mods form circles, there they're even per subforum, not everyone has mod rights on whole forum, and it's a years long saga...

As a user, I come and use such place for information I can get, and I regularly change my account, in order not to become too attached to it, or if I want to pursue different topics and I just don't want nosy people to check my post history in their internet battles (easily, if they want to to that, they need to invest time :P)

For some more personal mingling, then yes, I think other forums / reddits have to be founded, or you just find out how ignore list works and fill it and happily ignore everything else.

On aforementioned forum my ignore lists are several hundred accounts long, with an idea that I want to read folks from which I've learned I can learn more, and just skip over the noise.

From my perspective as a new user, this place isn't too friendly, but it isn't hostile, it definitely shows those circles exist, but it's not disabling for getting the information.
So, mods who invested their time so far, IMO, did a great job.

Would I like that this forum was an opportunity to mingle and find friends? yes, that'd be nice. However, I don't expect it to become one after I've read some posts, so in the perspective of 'forum for useful information', yes, mods did a great job! And I'm thankful that I didn't have to sift through tons of spam in order to get decent information.

If that's something different than this forum was bunch of years ago and not something bunch of members want, then start with different initiatives and behaviours here. There's just a few mods, and tons of users, so if you want it to be a different better place, start behaving as you'd behave in that different place. Like you want this to be more friendly - start acting more friendly yourself.

Or if you feel to sour, maybe realise that this isn't good place for you anymore. I mean, you don't have to be sour to yourself and others to have a fulfilling life, at least I hope you don't.

Or yes, found your own place. There isn't too many options.
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...When I was mod and/or admin.....
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