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What a complete shite forum this is turning out
to be with frigging mods modding each other, what a sad bunch of matey mates

I'm out of here...
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Why don't all the moderators just quit, and anyone else refuse the cursed position?

Let Editor Bob is his cohorts do their jobs?

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Anyway I am headed out with my goats in a bit to enjoy the weather.
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Old 12.06.2021, 08:12
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I am genuinely sorry to see 22yards and Ace1 removed from the Mod Team in such an abrupt manner, they are both forum stalwarts who did a lot for this place, and were certainly a lot more active than me. Thanks Guys!

I extend a warm welcome to Fatmanfilms, I hope we can all get on, rebuild cohesiveness in the ModZone and start to engage with EditorBob in a meaningful way.
Spoken like a true professional. Editor Bob, this is how itís done 🧐
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Just came back from 11km walk with junior in the pram. I can assure you that there is life out there in such a lovey sunny weather, outside this forum
Only for those who want to try it out.
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Re: Mod shakeup

I'm an anarchist and iconoclast at heart. We are led to believe that without rules and authority, that we'll descend into chaos, and that chaos is dangerous.

Much like schools and prefects (and this is what EF is like, a playground with cool kids and aggrandized Prefects, kids with power), the election of Mods as figures of authority reinforces the idea that we need to be governed by those more privileged and worthy of wielding power.

I believe that without Mods, that the community will eventually self-regulate. Anyone who thinks that it will implode only has to look at EFs history of constantly being in a state of pending implosion. This is (yet) another example of such a contraction that will be swept under the carpet.

Giving people power will only serve to trigger in them feelings of inadequacy, which in turn manifests as judgement on others.

This is not life and I don't know what everyone is so fearful of losing. Turn it upside down, live with it, or leave it.
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Old 12.06.2021, 08:30
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Only for those who want to try it out.
I just wonder how much role virtual thing like the EF plays in one’s life. I treat it as a source of info for expats, follow some entertaining discussions, keep up to date with the news and have opportunity to read different views on various matters. However to devote emotional self to it is far beyond my intention and I rather keep my sanity intact. There are more important things in life to give a damn about. No need to get stuck and waste energy needed elsewhere.
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I'm an anarchist and iconoclast at heart. We are led to believe that without rules and authority, that we'll descend into chaos, and that chaos is dangerous.

Much like schools and prefects (and this is what EF is like, a playground with cool kids and aggrandized Prefects, kids with power), the election of Mods as figures of authority reinforces the idea that we need to be governed by those more privileged and worthy of wielding power.

I believe that without Mods, that the community will eventually self-regulate. Anyone who thinks that it will implode only has to look at EFs history of constantly being in a state of pending implosion. This is (yet) another example of such a contraction that will be swept under the carpet.

Giving people power will only serve to trigger in them feelings of inadequacy, which in turn manifests as judgement on others.

This is not life and I don't know what everyone is so fearful of losing. Turn it upside down, live with it, or leave it.
I find this whole thing pretty laughable. But then again I don’t take EF or any social media seriously. Plus I’ve seen it all on EF since pretty much day one -including the first mods (they were ok-ish I guess) anyway the sun is out peeps- everyone- get out -step away fm the pc - enjoy the weekend
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Old 12.06.2021, 08:38
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I just wonder how much role virtual thing like the EF plays in one’s life. I treat it as a source of info for expats, follow some entertaining discussions, keep up to date with the news and have opportunity to read different views on various matters. However to devote emotional self to it is far beyond my intention and I rather keep my sanity intact. There are more important things in life to give a damn about. No need to get stuck and waste energy needed elsewhere.
For the same reason I don't get why some people want so much to moderate it.

It's like a bouncy castle.
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Old 12.06.2021, 08:42
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I believe that without Mods, that the community will eventually self-regulate. Anyone who thinks that it will implode only has to look at EFs history of constantly being in a state of pending implosion. This is (yet) another example of such a contraction that will be swept under the carpet.

Giving people power will only serve to trigger in them feelings of inadequacy, which in turn manifests as judgement on others.
Wishful thinking. The power seekers will still seek power - and try to impose it by browbeating and intimidation.

The Moderators' task is to keep the forum clear of spam, clear of trolls and a reasonably pleaseant and useful place to virtually hangout.

You could give everyone the power to permanently ban people. You could also allow some kind of democraticisation, where if enough people bad rep you, you're out. But again, you're at the mercy of power seekers.

Human nature is essentially nasty. I known mine is.
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Old 12.06.2021, 08:46
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I find this whole thing pretty laughable. But then again I don’t take EF or any social media seriously. Plus I’ve seen it all on EF since pretty much day one -including the first mods (they were ok-ish I guess) anyway the sun is out peeps- everyone- get out -step away fm the pc - enjoy the weekend
I'm guessing there's a bit of a Stockholm syndrome at play due to pandemic.

But folks here are getting vaccinated, perhaps they'll get more confidence to interact IRL.

Still feel sad for those de-moded in such a manner, but perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. I guess for the rest of us, who didn't invest emotionally so much here, it's simpler to just move along. Literally nothing new to see here.

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For the same reason I don't get why some people want so much to moderate it.

It's like a bouncy castle.
Who knows?

Maybe they like being in charge.
Maybe they are retired and look for new challenges.
Maybe they have good heart and want to be part of the community.
Maybe they were kindly asked to it and don’t want to wuss out.

Different folks can have different reasons.

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Old 12.06.2021, 09:53
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I'm an anarchist and iconoclast at heart. We are led to believe that without rules and authority, that we'll descend into chaos, and that chaos is dangerous.

Much like schools and prefects (and this is what EF is like, a playground with cool kids and aggrandized Prefects, kids with power), the election of Mods as figures of authority reinforces the idea that we need to be governed by those more privileged and worthy of wielding power.

I believe that without Mods, that the community will eventually self-regulate. Anyone who thinks that it will implode only has to look at EFs history of constantly being in a state of pending implosion. This is (yet) another example of such a contraction that will be swept under the carpet.

Giving people power will only serve to trigger in them feelings of inadequacy, which in turn manifests as judgement on others.

This is not life and I don't know what everyone is so fearful of losing. Turn it upside down, live with it, or leave it.
Thatís all nice and true... the bottom line is that most mod tasks have nothing to do with the community. They clean up the spam, the obvious trolls and all sort of crap you never get to see. The arguments of who insulted who first and should be banned for at least a day are hopefully less frequent. And yeah, those could be moderated by the group instead of some individuals. Iíd suggest a Chinese style social credit score system to decide whoís opinion counts ;-)
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Old 12.06.2021, 10:04
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Wishful thinking. The power seekers will still seek power - and try to impose it by browbeating and intimidation.

The Moderators' task is to keep the forum clear of spam, clear of trolls and a reasonably pleaseant and useful place to virtually hangout.
... and this is where they failed.

People have short memories and suddenly all the bullying and discord has been forgotten and people, yes even the bullies and trolls themselves, seem to think that until yesterday morning the EF was such a wonderful oasis of perfect harmony and that there was nothing that needed to be fixed.

I don't believe that just changing some faces on the mod team will fix the problems permanently. But trying the same thing over and over again obviously didn't fix them either so why not let somebody or some people with a different approach have a try?

Then we can come back to this discussion in say 6 months time and see what has got better and what hasn't and maybe reconsider the decision.

In the interim we should thank the outgoing mods for their stalwart efforts, and welcome the new.

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Because some of the mods enjoy wielding the position for the wrong reasons and people such as FMF with heavily narcissistic traits enjoy any slight privilege or power over others that they can get. So yeah, of course they wouldn't give it up.
I hate over moderation, which is why I fell out with Ace1. There are plenty of CLOSED threads complaining about moderator actions.

Please tone it down, thats all I ask
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Please tone it down, thats all I ask
To be fair, that's what the mods were asking you to do too.
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One thing which I think could do with a little more moderation is the off-topic postings on some very useful threads, where some random maybe amusing comment derails the whole thing.

I'm sure a lot of newbies are stunned when they ask a decent question, get some helpful answers, and come back a few days later to find their thread is talking about what pension fund they should invest their money in if they didn't do what they were asking about. (Keeping to the FMF theme )

And I'm definitely guilty of this as well

Maybe a generic "Threadicide" thread in Off-Topic where this stuff could be moved. I could imagine the segues could end up quite amusing as well.
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Old 12.06.2021, 10:24
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One thing which I think could do with a little more moderation is the off-topic postings on some very useful threads, where some random maybe amusing comment derails the whole thing.

I'm sure a lot of newbies are stunned when they ask a decent question, get some helpful answers, and come back a few days later to find their thread is talking about what pension fund they should invest their money in if they didn't do what they were asking about. (Keeping to the FMF theme )

And I'm definitely guilty of this as well

Maybe a generic "Threadicide" thread in Off-Topic where this stuff could be moved. I could imagine the segues could end up quite amusing as well.
I don't mind people being funny. It's part of what keeps the EF going and people coming back.

But I think we should have a moratorium on funny stuff until the OP's question has been adequately discussed and answered, plus maybe a day in case any other useful answers come in.
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Literally nothing new to see here.
Yup. It's just the same ol' EF bullshit. Just a different day.

It's difficult for me to take a place like this seriously anymore -- where you see power struggles emerge among some of the members. What I find most interesting is that 22 Yards has actually been very quiet and mature about the whole thing. It's just everyone else making a stink about it.

And I'm sorry to say it, but if someone thinks that moderating an online forum that most of the world doesn't even know exists is some kind of important position that deems them worthy of respect or admiration, well... they might need to get out more into the real world.
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... and this is where they failed.

People have short memories and suddenly all the bullying and discord has been forgotten and people, yes even the bullies and trolls themselves, seem to think that until yesterday morning the EF was such a wonderful oasis of perfect harmony and that there was nothing that needed to be fixed.

I don't believe that just changing some faces on the mod team will fix the problems permanently. But trying the same thing over and over again obviously didn't fix them either so why not let somebody or some people with a different approach have a try?

Then we can come back to this discussion in say 6 months time and see what has got better and what hasn't and maybe reconsider the decision.

In the interim we should thank the outgoing mods for their stalwart efforts, and welcome the new.
I agree the mods failed to clear out all the trolls; whether we are thinking of the same trolls is, of course, open to debate.
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I don't mind people being funny. It's part of what keeps the EF going and people coming back.

But I think we should have a moratorium on funny stuff until the OP's question has been adequately discussed and answered, plus maybe a day in case any other useful answers come in.
Or maybe the price to pay for posting funny stuff, jokes, sarcasm and the like should be useful and informative information in the same post.

For balance, like.
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