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Old 13.06.2021, 12:39
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Ace1 has had their mod rights revoked for overstepping the line.

It was clear that Ace1 had a personal feud with MC.

So what do you expect Ace1 would say on the matter?
And what has that got to do with your completely erroneous and frankly insulting assumption that Marton and I are in cahoots somewhere behind the scenes?

You accused Olygirl of making assumptions about the mod team without being a mod herself and I was just pointing out that this has been discussed on more than one occasion on various threads and by various different people.

Apparently it’s ok for you to make assumptions based on no evidence whatsoever but other people aren’t allowed despite there being a documented base for those assumptions. Double standards much?
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:42
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Professional? So modding is a profession now?
Actually it can be, some gaming companies pay their moderators so yes, it can be a profession. And yes, when you moderate you have to remember you're also representing whatever company/organisation you're doing it for. So yes, you need to be professional, even if it's unpaid voluntary work.

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my two pence:

why do the owners / managers of EF have to answer to anyone, they don't owe anyone any answers. surely, its their forum and they can do what they want with it? we are free to come and free to go. its not like its a paid membership.
Because when things like this happen it causes fractures in the community as can be seen by this thread. If EB had come to the forum and explained why the changes were made we might not have an 18 page and growing thread about it all.

Then again, knowing EF, we'd probably have a long thread about it anyway.

That said, I think it's disrespectful to those mods who have been demoted for him not to explain why, even if it's only done in private. They are owed an explanation, since they gave their own unpaid time to doing the job.
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:43
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Of course, but if people have been moderating the forum for many years, it would have been common courtesy for the manager(s) to thank them and explain why they felt they couldn't be part of the moderator team any more.

Obviously you see it differently.
thats a good way to twist what I said

no one apart from EB and thelocal know the truth here
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:45
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No worries. I see you as the Melania of the EF Republican Party, a party leader who often makes no sense and divides instead of unites.
So you're saying she's hot and you're jealous ?
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:46
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Lousy timing. I’d pm her instead to clarify.
You must be crazy to suggest that Without me ever having a private conversation with her I got accused of being a stalker and a creep.
Imagine if I ever PM her, she would call me a rapist and #metoo my innocent bum
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:46
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Re: Mod shakeup

Mod hat on

I need to catch up on reading this thread later but I want to get this out here now:

This is obviously a heated topic with some strong feelings, but the personal attacks need to stop.

Whether you (general you, not someone specific) like the mods/ex-mods in question or the action taken by EB, personal attacks are not okay. I'm not going to go back and delete and issue infractions since I think folks need to have a say, but I'm asking for it to please stop now.

Thanks.
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:48
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You may know EF has been around for a long time, there are more than two ex-mods and discussion about MC outside of EF is years old; since the Jagwaugh incident.
I liked Jagwaugh what happened there?
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:51
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Mod hat on

I need to catch up on reading this thread later but I want to get this out here now:

This is obviously a heated topic with some strong feelings, but the personal attacks need to stop.

Whether you (general you, not someone specific) like the mods/ex-mods in question or the action taken by EB, personal attacks are not okay. I'm not going to go back and delete and issue infractions since I think folks need to have a say, but I'm asking for it to please stop now.

Thanks.
As an alternative may I suggest that you let this one run and let them all get their beefs out in the open for another couple of days - say until next Sat - then it'll have been a week.

Not that I have much say of course but still as long as they confine their ire to this one and blow off the steam I think that'll settle it.
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:55
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I liked Jagwaugh what happened there?
https://www.englishforum.ch/complain...-innocent.html

And unfortunately, he has passed on since then. RIP
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:56
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Ace1 has had their mod rights revoked for overstepping the line.

It was clear that Ace1 had a personal feud with MC.

So what do you expect Ace1 would say on the matter?
And since a feud is two-sided what do you expect from the other side?
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:56
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Of course, but if people have been moderating the forum for many years, it would have been common courtesy for the manager(s) to thank them and explain why they felt they couldn't be part of the moderator team any more.

Obviously you see it differently.
Let's wait and see.

It's still the weekend and I expect there won't be many people around in The Local's offices.

Maybe come Monday there will be something appropriate.
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Old 13.06.2021, 12:57
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And since a feud is two-sided what do you expect from the other side?
I hold both sides accountable to the same standards.
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Old 13.06.2021, 13:03
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There seem to be 3 groups on EF. Group A, Group B and Group C.

Group A- Anyone from Group B or C gets bullied, they turn a blind eye and make excuses.

Group B- Anyone from Group A gets bullied, they say they deserved it for having Group A Mod protection.

Group C- Call out hypocrisy and bullying irrespective of the group.

I am a certified Group C member incase you had not already worked it out
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Old 13.06.2021, 13:07
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I hold both sides accountable to the same standards.
So maybe a good moment to drop your insinuations?
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Old 13.06.2021, 13:08
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https://www.englishforum.ch/complain...-innocent.html

And unfortunately, he has passed on since then. RIP
Thankyou...very very decent human being from my brief interaction with him - said some rude things about the underside of my BMW but who hasn't ??

I knew he was struggling with an ex wife and kids situation but still very sad to read of his passing.
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Old 13.06.2021, 13:14
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I think if I were one of the remaining mods who have just seen drastic changes to the mod team without any communication from EB I would cease to do any moderation at all.

If EB doesn’t have the decency to at least inform them of any changes he’s making he doesn’t deserve for them to do the dirty work for him in my opinion.
The interesting part is - if mods acknowledged the clear message of our supervisor that explained the 1st round of demodding, they would not feel uninformed or surprised. It is not like that the final demodding was a random brainfart or a coup (nor the 1st one). I have a feeling that the site oversight is not into airing people's dirty laundry.

I believe that this community has a healthy spirit and supportive mindset, wit and humor and is already recovering. People who haven't posted for long are resurfacing.
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So maybe a good moment to drop your insinuations?
You are the claiming to be privy to knowledge of private discussions between the mods.

All I did was call your bluff.
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Old 13.06.2021, 13:25
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The interesting part is - if mods acknowledged the clear message of our supervisor that explained the 1st round of demodding, they would not feel uninformed or surprised. It is not like that the final demodding was a random brainfart or a coup (nor the 1st one). I have a feeling that the site oversight is not into airing people's dirty laundry.

I believe that this community has a healthy spirit and supportive mindset, wit and humor and is already recovering. People who haven't posted for long are resurfacing.
And people who have posted for a long time are leaving.

You keep mentioning this clear message from your ‘supervisor.’ As far as I can tell EB didn’t give any explanation of what happened last time. Was something said in the mod zone at the time because the last Ace1 said was that EB made no comment and just fixed the apparent error.

Or are you saying that randomly demodding mods and then adding them back without explanation and then liking FMF comment a few months later about what his intentions may have been is a clear message in the land of MusicChick?
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Let's correct the dishonesty. Members reached out. Two mods got a warning a while back, through being demodded briefly. There was a clear note from the higher authority telling them to quit modding with a political bias. The warning was ignored, members silenced - so the higher authority decided to step in again.
How extraordinarily disingenuous of you to start that post with "let's correct the dishonesty".

I suggest you tell this forum the truth about your involvement in the last attempted coup in the mod team: about how you teamed up with a new forum member (well, a reincarnation) to lie to Editor Bob, and how you attempted to engineer the removal of the same two mods.

It will come as no surprise to everyone else at EF that you, MusicChick, are the source of all the disharmony in the mod team and that you have been behind both attempts to oust Ace1 and myself, the two mods who have been most vocal in our criticism of your performance. Your own delusional lust for the very minor, petty power that comes with moderating a forum is also the reason for the current reduction in powers of the remaining moderators.

It's all frankly rather pathetic. I suggest that if the management of The Local is genuinely concerned about moderation of EF, they remove the entire moderation team and appoint new moderators—or better, have them elected by forum members, which should open their eyes to some truths.

I have a further suggestion which will wait until I receive a reply from The Local to the email I sent yesterday.
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Old 13.06.2021, 13:31
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I liked Jagwaugh what happened there?
I heard that was the first and last time MusicChick actually did any moderating...


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