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Referring to posters as "cronies" is just absurd and indicates a level of paranoia . I don't know her nor have I ever met MC. She's an account on a bulletin board nothing more.
The vast majority of Trump's cronies have never met him either, and never will. They are simply people who blindly follow him and take as gospel truth everything he says.
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I've been gone for 2 years - because (in my view) 2 mods trolled me relentlessly.

Saying that "the vast majority" tried to have her removed doesn't just sound like bullying - it is bullying. She was one of the very few less-than-right-on people on the forum - who questioned the mainstream narrative which frustrated loads of people but many others such as I appreciated.

Referring to posters as "cronies" is just absurd and indicates a level of paranoia . I don't know her nor have I ever met MC. She's an account on a bulletin board nothing more.
I am curious.
You were gone for two years because you had disagreements with two of the mods which is fair enough.
Those two are no longer active and now you’re back. That’s very convenient. Did you just randomly decide to log in after two years away on the off chance that they might no longer be around?
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Old 13.06.2021, 14:08
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I thought the mods act like a team and discuss modding activities on some hidden mod forum?
So did we. Unfortunately one of the team refused to participate in many such discussions, only to whinge after the event about such actions as were agreed.
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It shouldn't be up to any single mod to do all the work behind the scenes.
TBF there have generally been three of us fairly active in modding, although 3Wishes has dropped off a bit due to personal circumstances in the last year or three. Roegner was added not so long ago and has made a sterling effort.

Whether they're happy to remain as part of the now-dysfunctional "team" remains to be seen.
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Group B or Group C members?

I haven't thanked her posts because I don't know what is going on but if I do thank her, I don't automatically become her or anyone's cronie.

MC could be a nasty person for all I know but some in Group A have been nasty too from what I have observed.

Would you say you are Chuff's cronie for letting him get away with personal insults when others got banned for less? I personally don't mind Chuff's insults as I can easily counter them but as a Mod should same level playing field not be applied?

If you become mod again then please be more self critical and try to be objective even if it involves cronies
I'm not sure why you're bringing Chuff into this but I'm sure he would be the first to tell you that he and I rarely see eye to eye, and I have issued warnings to him several times. I think I may even have banned him temporarily at some point. So I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Also, I don't think you've got the meaning of 'crony' straight.
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So certain mods have been discussing modding discussions publically outside of the EF?
Not to my knowledge, except as fall-out from this and the earlier mod coup.
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Old 13.06.2021, 14:12
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Would a formal petition to remove MC from the mod team result in a better and more productive mod team atmosphere? I certainly would have no qualms in starting one if MC doesn’t step down herself.
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Group B or Group C members?

I haven't thanked her posts because I don't know what is going on but if I do thank her, I don't automatically become her or anyone's cronie.

MC could be a nasty person for all I know but some in Group A have been nasty too from what I have observed.

Would you say you are Chuff's cronie for letting him get away with personal insults when others got banned for less? I personally don't mind Chuff's insults as I can easily counter them but as a Mod should same level playing field not be applied?

If you become mod again then please be more self critical and try to be objective even if it involves cronies
According to Amogles report that there are remaining seven mods; who also let Chuff "get away with personal insults" so are you saying they should all be fired?
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It was clear that Ace1 had a personal feud with MC.
Nope. We've always been on pretty good terms, at least as far as I was aware.
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Re: Mod shakeup

All mods to some degree are on a power trip, it seems to be addictive like a drug.

How about mods only to removes spam posts (sex websites etc) plus slanderous type of posts. Apart from that NO MODS!
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Would a formal petition to remove MC from the mod team result in a better and more productive mod team atmosphere? I certainly would have no qualms in starting one if MC doesn’t step down herself.
There was one not so long ago but it hit a blank wall, not meant as a reason to not try again.
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The interesting part is - if mods acknowledged the clear message of our supervisor that explained the 1st round of demodding, they would not feel uninformed or surprised. It is not like that the final demodding was a random brainfart or a coup (nor the 1st one). I have a feeling that the site oversight is not into airing people's dirty laundry.
Even if that is the case it does not excuse the total lack of respect for the two mods in question. It is despicable behaviour in my opinion.
They gave up their free time to moderate the forum for free and whether you agree with how they did it is neither here nor there, they deserved to be told about the decision personally.
They should not have had to find out about it next time they logged in via a post from a member.

It would have taken EB a couple of minutes to send them a PM informing them if his actions. If he had done that there wouldn’t have needed to be any airing of dirty laundry as you so quaintly put it.


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I believe that this community has a healthy spirit and supportive mindset, wit and humor and is already recovering. People who haven't posted for long are resurfacing.
I think you are deluding yourself if you think that to be the case.
From where I’m standing it appears to be more divided than ever.
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Old 13.06.2021, 14:16
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Would a formal petition to remove MC from the mod team result in a better and more productive mod team atmosphere? I certainly would have no qualms in starting one if MC doesn’t step down herself.
I don't see why not? Why not do the same for the whole mod team to be fair.

It's not as if the mods get paid so there's no loss of earnings if they get removed.

If it's loss of prestige or power that they are worried about then they ought to step down anyway.
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Old 13.06.2021, 14:20
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Not to my knowledge, except as fall-out from this and the earlier mod coup.
As was mentioned, there are enough former mods around - Amogles jumped to an unwarranted assumption about you two.
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There was one not so long ago but it hit a blank wall, not meant as a reason to not try again.
After seeing this fallout, Editor Bob may realize it is time for a further change.
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I could have complained to EB earlier, but asked the mod team to sort it out themselves, for some reason they chose to ignore my complaint. I even gave notice that I would escalate my complaint, it fell on deaf ears.
That is an outright lie. Feel free to make the rest of the PM exchange public if you like, but I for one can't find any record of you threatening to escalate things.

In any case, getting so riled up about a petty infraction and being asked, for the nth time, to stop making digs and insinuations against one specific member shows an incredibly childish outlook on things. You don't seem to have any sense of perspective.
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According to Amogles report that there are remaining seven mods; who also let Chuff "get away with personal insults" so are you saying they should all be fired?
It's worth pointing out that Chuff has been censured several times, including being in receipt of the very first infraction that was issued by me and of several short bans in the past, as well as having posts edited (censored, if you like) and clear warnings sent on multiple occasions, so in no way is it fair to suggest that he's been allowed to get away with it.
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After seeing this fallout, Editor Bob may realize it is time for a further change.
What makes you think he'll see it? If he can't be bothered to interact with the moderation team then why do you think he'd even bother to read what's posted on the forum?
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He responds to private messages.
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Re: Mod shakeup

I've never had a personal issue with MC. I'm surprised that the level of venom directed towards her - and indeed other mods.

It's an online anonymous-ish forum. No one has ever died as a result of a mod decision. Some people really need to get a perspective.

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What makes you think he'll see it? If he can't be bothered to interact with the moderation team then why do you think he'd even bother to read what's posted on the forum?
Quite so. If anyone wants to raise questions with him or higher management I suggest the email route as suggested by Chuff is the best course of action. I'm not going to do so myself, as I just don't want to get any more personally bothered by this whole thing, but would certainly be happy for those (quite a few) of you who have sent me personal messages of support to consider making those feelings more widely known.
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