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Old 13.06.2021, 14:45
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According to Amogles report that there are remaining seven mods; who also let Chuff "get away with personal insults" so are you saying they should all be fired?
Were the other mods banning people too for less insulting stuff than what Chuff was saying?

I did not get anyone fired, so an irrelevant point anyway, nor do I dislike Ace or 22 apart from microscopic run ins when I first joined.

Hi Ace1, yes you gave Chuff a couple of days ban but others got permanent ban for less
I have a solution, ban Chuff permanently and let him come back as "Soiled mattress"
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Old 13.06.2021, 14:48
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That is an outright lie. Feel free to make the rest of the PM exchange public if you like, but I for one can't find any record of you threatening to escalate things.

In any case, getting so riled up about a petty infraction and being asked, for the nth time, to stop making digs and insinuations against one specific member shows an incredibly childish outlook on things. You don't seem to have any sense of perspective.
I must ask you to apologise after you have confirmed my story with 3 Wishes, it was posted in the mod zone on 6th June. The original complaint was posted in mod zone on 7th May, you replied to something 22 yards wrote on 11th May so should have been fully aware of my complaint & aware that it was being ignored.

You have a habit of rewriting the truth. Had the posts you infracted been worthy of infractions you would still have been a mod.
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Old 13.06.2021, 14:58
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Whether they're happy to remain as part of the now-dysfunctional "team" remains to be seen.
From PM's with 4 & a post on this thread, I can say with confidence that we are all looking forward to working together, with no hard feelings for anything that occurred in the past. I believe we have an excellent team.
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It's worth pointing out that Chuff has been censured several times, including being in receipt of the very first infraction that was issued by me and of several short bans in the past, as well as having posts edited (censored, if you like) and clear warnings sent on multiple occasions, so in no way is it fair to suggest that he's been allowed to get away with it.
I am not a Chuff fan by any means as I personally donít like his posting style but from what Iíve seen he has always acknowledged when he has crossed the line and accepted his bans with grace.

Some people seem to take everything that happens in the forum personally and whine about groans and rep etc all the time, others couldnít care less and probably donít even notice half the time and then there is everyone else who falls somewhere in between and make up the vast majority of members.
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Old 13.06.2021, 15:03
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And your own, consistent, refusal, to join in any discussion with us or any of the mod team as to your own role in that debacle, and indeed in this one, is frankly disgusting.
I can't find reference to any of this in the mod zone, which I find curious
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Old 13.06.2021, 15:07
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Would a formal petition to remove MC from the mod team result in a better and more productive mod team atmosphere? I certainly would have no qualms in starting one if MC doesnít step down herself.
I thought you tried something similar a few months ago, yet it failed?
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Old 13.06.2021, 15:07
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I can't find reference to any of this in the mod zone, which I find curious
Be careful in this area or Amogles might question your professionalism
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Old 13.06.2021, 15:10
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I thought you tried something similar a few months ago, yet it failed?
The outcome was fair at that time.
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Old 13.06.2021, 15:26
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Be careful in this area or Amogles might question your professionalism
By the way, happy birthday, Marton!
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Would a formal petition to remove MC from the mod team result in a better and more productive mod team atmosphere? I certainly would have no qualms in starting one if MC doesnít step down herself.
I would second that. She has conducted herself in an un-modly way repeatedly and calling her out on it or other weird behaviour results in all her boys piling on top of you as well as her either pretending she didn't see it or spending the next few weeks following you around the forum to antagonise you. Until you tell her to give it a rest and she stops. She derails threads/joins in on derailing them, stokes arguments and generally contributes to the cliquey feel of this place. This wouldn't be great from a normal user but from a mod? Nope.
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Old 13.06.2021, 15:31
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By the way, happy birthday, Marton!
Thank you, celebrated early - yesterday evening - still recovering.
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I can't find reference to any of this in the mod zone, which I find curious
Well you wouldn't find it, would you, since refusal to engage is the same as simply not joining in any conversation. Look in the "Mod actions 2020" and 2021 for examples where we've specifically asked questions which were ignored.
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I must ask you to apologise after you have confirmed my story with 3 Wishes, it was posted in the mod zone on 6th June. The original complaint was posted in mod zone on 7th May, you replied to something 22 yards wrote on 11th May so should have been fully aware of my complaint & aware that it was being ignored.

You have a habit of rewriting the truth. Had the posts you infracted been worthy of infractions you would still have been a mod.
So you're talking about discussions in the mod zone, to which you had no access at the time, and of course which I now can't see, resulting from one mod raising a question after you'd spoken to them and the rest of us discussing the fact?

That's absolutely not what you implied above, suggesting that you had asked me to do something and I had refused to respond. Talk about re-writing the truth. If you had complained to a given mod then it would clearly have been up to that mod to explain to you what was agreed, or not.

And again, why were you so bothered about the infractions, petty and importantly private as they were? I don't get it. And all of the actions were a result of you continually trying to goad, insult and cast snide aspersions against another user. I know you two had a falling out quite a few years ago, but your apparent inability to let it lie was the only cause of any strife, and was all that you were called out on.

I really had to laugh at one of your PMs, where you just said something like "I was right though". As if being right (and who knows or cares anyway? Not me.) makes you somehow immune from the rules about being civil to other members of the forum.
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Old 13.06.2021, 16:06
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others couldnít care less and probably donít even notice half the time
That would be me.

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Old 13.06.2021, 16:49
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That would be me.

Tom
Says the man who started this thread
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Old 13.06.2021, 18:09
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Re: Mod shakeup

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It's really unfortunate that EB has chosen to again make decisions without informing those affected and without any explanation to the community. One can argue he doesn't need to explain anything, but IMO the way he's gone about it doesn't make anyone look good and I feel it paints fmf in a particularly bad light.

It was mentioned above there was a whole group who petitioned to have MC removed as mod a while back. EB actually consulted with the mod team back then and obviously MC remained a mod. Yet in this case, EB's lack of communication makes it appear as if one guy complained and got two mods removed and everyone but his buddies demoted.

I can confirm that fmf sent me a PM to complain he was being bullied by the mod team after he'd received a few infractions and I had deleted a post. Knowing he can be a bit of a joker (see Porsch's post many pages prior), I figured he was messing around. I told him I'd share his concerns with the mod team and I did, but I didn't think he was being serious. I then went on vacation without sending a reply.

When a few weeks had passed without me answering, fmf sent another PM to me to say he was going to escalate his concerns. Again, I shared this message in the MZ but I didn't reply to fmf. I still felt that the infractions were not bullying and that fmf was joking to get a reaction from me. I even told the mod team I felt it was all nonsense and I wouldn't reply.

And here we are.

If EB wants to penalize Ace and 22 for issuing infractions, and me for not taking fmf seriously, fair enough. But it's patently unfair to also remove mod tools from Roeger and Castro who didn't issue any infractions (AFAIK). Yet EB left full tools to MC and LiB (who don't even do any modding these days).

It's unfair to fmf to promote him to mod without so much as a "welcome and here's why", leaving him open to all sorts of accusations.

I'm not thrilled with how fmf went about this; I told him as much and that I thought he was joking. However, he seems like a reasonable guy and I'm willing to work with him. I even sent him some tips on approving new posts and users since I'm locked out.
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Old 13.06.2021, 18:12
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Says the man who started this thread
Alas, I got advanced warning on Thursday, but decided to wait until Friday before releasing the excrement to freely advance towards the ventilators.

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Old 13.06.2021, 18:17
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It was mentioned above there was a whole group who petitioned to have MC removed as mod a while back. EB actually consulted with the mod team back then and obviously MC remained a mod. Yet in this case, EB's lack of communication makes it appear as if one guy complained and got two mods removed and everyone but his buddies demoted.
So if I complain to EB that one mod is trolling, winding-up and upsetting long-standing members and so on, I can as 'one guy' get her removed?

That's how it works, doesn't it? You've just written that.
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Old 13.06.2021, 18:18
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If EB wants to penalize Ace and 22 for issuing infractions, and me for not taking fmf seriously, fair enough. But it's patently unfair to also remove mod tools from Roeger and Castro who didn't issue any infractions (AFAIK). Yet EB left full tools to MC and LiB (who don't even do any modding these days).
Thanks for a somewhat detailed and frank reply and putting to bed some of the wild and uncontrolled speculation that has been doing the rounds.

I wasn't aware there is a hierarchy of mod powers and that there are lesser and greater mods and TBH it doesn't really make sense to me. But then what do I know?

I do feel that some of the mods who were penalized did to a certain degree bring it upon themselves. But I agree that it is wrong to also penalize other mods who were AFAIK not involved in those actions. I expect that when the dust has settled that the rights of these other mods will be reinstated.
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Old 13.06.2021, 18:22
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Re: Mod shakeup

Holy crap, is this thread shit still ongoing???
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