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Old 13.06.2021, 21:57
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I believe you have been dishonest more than once & am happy to do a deep dive in the mod zone to confirm, you could just apologise, I would accept that.
Is this how you want to begin your mod reign...by bickering with ex-mods? I have a feeling EB appointed you mod just to get you off his back.

How about just being joyous and rising above it all?
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Old 13.06.2021, 22:02
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Re: Mod shakeup

Twenty pages ago I raised the hope we could use the opportunity to discuss what we want EF to be like. I’m glad this did not turn into a train wreck full of personal insults instead.
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Old 13.06.2021, 22:26
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You need a fishtail parka, a motor scooter and a copy of Quadrophenia.

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Would someone please tell me how people become mods here?

1)Do you ask EB for the job?
2) Does someone on the mod team recommend a poster?
3) Is your name pulled out of a hat?
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Old 13.06.2021, 22:31
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People who haven't posted for long are resurfacing.
Jeepers...I’m definitely outta here!
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Is this how you want to begin your mod reign...by bickering with ex-mods? I have a feeling EB appointed you mod just to get you off his back.

How about just being joyous and rising above it all?
An ex mod claimed I was lying, which is untrue, I asked for an apology which he has not given. My side of the story has even been confirmed by another mod.

1 email is hardly getting on his back, clearly he agreed with my position. The previous mod coup was justified, I have even uncovered what brought it on.......

I just prefer the truth & nothing but the truth.

I would appreciate it, if you could tone down your posts against Music Chick.
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Old 13.06.2021, 22:44
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Says the man who started this thread
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Please stop whining about how awful x y or z were. You're no better- you come across as bit of snowflake. How old are you? 12? If you want to be a good moderator, stop caring about what anyone says.

If I was asked to mod, I'd politely decline.
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Re: Mod shakeup

For the sake of Friday threads.....it's already Sunday night
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Old 13.06.2021, 23:12
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How to Troll without getting banned. The masterclass.

Please stop whining about how awful x y or z were. You're no better- you come across as bit of snowflake. How old are you? 12? If you want to be a good moderator, stop caring about what anyone says.

If I was asked to mod, I'd politely decline.
"asked to mod", careful, there is a risk that it would be implemented without informing you
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I believe you have been dishonest more than once & am happy to do a deep dive in the mod zone to confirm, you could just apologise, I would accept that.
Go for it.

If you think you can gain any kudos from trawling through ten years of mod discussions and selectively making bits of it public then I think you're sadly mistaken.
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Old 13.06.2021, 23:25
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"asked to mod", careful, there is a risk that it would be implemented without informing you
No problem. I'd just immediately ban everyone. Except MC.
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No problem. I'd just immediately ban everyone. Except MC.
Whatever you do don't give FMF an infractions. If you strike him down he just becomes more powerful
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Old 13.06.2021, 23:45
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Re: Mod shakeup

…salt and pepper in abundance...I think EB decided to spicy up things little bit...
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In my opinion this is unacceptable behaviour from any user on a forum, whether mod or not.

And yes, MusicChick, you do it over and over and over again. I'm appealing here, publically, yet again, to ask you to stop. I went public before, and am doing so again, because you have never once responded to my PMs to you, asking you please to tone things down.

MusicChick, I don't understand. Your critics are not lone voices, nor ar they a homogenous group. The latter would be evidence of bullying, but I don't believe that is what is happening, when people criticise your manner. I observe that many users - who are very different from one another and do not always agree with one another on many topics. - have pointed out to you that your posts are too often disruptive, devisive and sometimes even destructive. Given that, I wonder why you persist in posting in that way.
  • Sometimes I wonder whether you genuinely don't know better. Could it be that you just don't realise, at all, that being nasty, boastful and condescending, and that stirring up trouble, that creating arguments for the sake of it, isn't fun or cute, nor smart, nor kind nor a helpful contribution? If you really can't see it, then that would be a scary condition to be in.

  • If, on the other hand, you post as you do with open eyes, clearly seeing that people get stung and hurt by your words, reading the many times people have appealed to you to stop, and yet you persist in posting in such a way that discussions get de-railed after your posts, and knowing that many have left this forum because of your behaviour.... if you're doing this in full awareness, well, then that, too is scary, in a different way.
The same applies to how you behave as a mod, within or without the modding team.

Once again, I'm asking you,(and for that matter everyone else here) please, to post peacefully. That doesn't mean necessarily agreeing with everyone, and it certainly does not mean becoming bland, just becoming polite. It is not a weakness but a strength to be able to discuss a topic while still bringing basic respect and consideration to those with whom you disagree. It is perfectly possible, with a little effort and self-discipline, to express an oposing opinion, using good manners.

You once said you would think about the effect if your posts more, and I thanked you then, and for a little while, your posts were more moderate. Please think much longer, please scan your work for barbs and weapons, and then edit your work, before you press on "submit reply". That really would be an improvement. Thank you.
Cringe. Yer kinda creepy.
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If EB wants to penalize Ace and 22 for issuing infractions, and me for not taking fmf seriously, fair enough.
It seems we have more evidence of a certain mod, and FMF, lying to Editor Bob, if that's the reason he has demoted me.

In more than ten years as a moderator on EF, I have dispensed a grand total of one infraction warning. One. And it wasn't to FMF.

This reeks of a personal vendetta, and it's clear who has been waging this little battle.
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The interesting part is - if mods acknowledged the clear message of our supervisor that explained the 1st round of demodding, they would not feel uninformed or surprised. It is not like that the final demodding was a random brainfart or a coup (nor the 1st one). I have a feeling that the site oversight is not into airing people's dirty laundry.

I believe that this community has a healthy spirit and supportive mindset, wit and humor and is already recovering. People who haven't posted for long are resurfacing.
What was the explanation? Or is it secret squirrel stuff? In the spirit of openness, maybe elaborate?

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And people who have posted for a long time are leaving.

You keep mentioning this clear message from your ‘supervisor.’ As far as I can tell EB didn’t give any explanation of what happened last time. Was something said in the mod zone at the time because the last Ace1 said was that EB made no comment and just fixed the apparent error.

Or are you saying that randomly demodding mods and then adding them back without explanation and then liking FMF comment a few months later about what his intentions may have been is a clear message in the land of MusicChick?
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How extraordinarily disingenuous of you to start that post with "let's correct the dishonesty".

I suggest you tell this forum the truth about your involvement in the last attempted coup in the mod team: about how you teamed up with a new forum member (well, a reincarnation) to lie to Editor Bob, and how you attempted to engineer the removal of the same two mods.

It will come as no surprise to everyone else at EF that you, MusicChick, are the source of all the disharmony in the mod team and that you have been behind both attempts to oust Ace1 and myself, the two mods who have been most vocal in our criticism of your performance. Your own delusional lust for the very minor, petty power that comes with moderating a forum is also the reason for the current reduction in powers of the remaining moderators.

It's all frankly rather pathetic. I suggest that if the management of The Local is genuinely concerned about moderation of EF, they remove the entire moderation team and appoint new moderators—or better, have them elected by forum members, which should open their eyes to some truths.

I have a further suggestion which will wait until I receive a reply from The Local to the email I sent yesterday.
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Perhaps you would care to share "the clear message of our supervisor" to help us overcome our ignorance?
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I certainly hope not! 22 Yards and Ace1 have consistently been showing bias, prejudice and frankly, poor moderation. I see no reason to restore them as mods. Just scroll back and read the frankly abusive and inflammatory comments of 22 Yards even now.
This is blx. IMO.obvs.

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In more than ten years as a moderator on EF, I have dispensed a grand total of one infraction warning. One. And it wasn't to FMF.

This reeks of a personal vendetta, and it's clear who has been waging this little battle.
This is the weirdest thread ever. It is indeed clear that it's personal.
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I would second that. She has conducted herself in an un-modly way repeatedly and calling her out on it or other weird behaviour results in all her boys piling on top of you as well as her either pretending she didn't see it or spending the next few weeks following you around the forum to antagonise you. Until you tell her to give it a rest and she stops. She derails threads/joins in on derailing them, stokes arguments and generally contributes to the cliquey feel of this place. This wouldn't be great from a normal user but from a mod? Nope.
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In my opinion this is unacceptable behaviour from any user on a forum, whether mod or not.
Certainly, actively derailing a thread is completely unmodly, as it's against forum rules.

Thus you have just called for 3Wishes to step down, too.
And you confirmed that Ace1's demoding was justified.

See the evangelicals thread, as one of quite a few cases. When this was raised in the past, the cop-out was that this was said as non-mod. Well, if that's Ok the same must logically apply to the other mods, including MC. But obviously you're not of that opinion, as shown by the quotes.

Looking forward to you and olygirl demanding, relentlessly in the case of olygirl, for 3wishes to step down. Not that I'd like to see 3wishes oblige, or thought that it would be warranted, but unless you reserve the right to apply doublestandards I wonder how you get out of this hole you dug for yourselves.

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And doropfiz, your argument that MC has repeatedly and by many been asked to step down applies to at least 22y and Ace1 as well (IIRC threads were started on them) yet you seem to be against their demoding. Again, please be consistent, by the same logic of yours you should also be for these two's demoding.

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Old 14.06.2021, 07:33
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Re: Mod shakeup

What a sad thread. I hope mods would just close it.
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Re: Mod shakeup

It's fascinating how this thread has very strong political similarities to recent politics. There is a clear pattern with all the current mods and their most core and vocal supporters in this thread. It's a collection of the more extreme elements of the forum, whether they be socially frustrated, right-wing, disenfranchised or simply who use this forum as a "safe" platform for airing the more nutty views they can't air in person without being socially ostracised.

-MusicChick - Mostly incoherent, political views veer towards the right.
-FMF - Extreme lack of empathy and heavily narcissistic traits, political views veer towards the right.
-Tonyclifton - alternate account of previously banned user, political views veer sharply towards the right, engages in incessant political trolling.
-amogles - political views veer sharply towards the right.
-Urs Max - known for extreme (as far as this forum goes) misogyny and taking everything personally.
-st2lemans - Compulsive liar and egomaniac.

Then you have the minor opportunists who come out of the woodwork whenever there are chances to air their petty grievances and play the victim, like the cringeworthy talk to you later, the bitter duo gaburko and Hausamsee etc.

Clearly EB and thelocal staff don't see any of that because they don't read the posts... they just listen to those who complain loudest, which of course is generally always the most disenfranchised element.

This forum has now officially gone off the deep end and I don't see how there is any coming back from it, at least not without intervention from thelocal or without years of further gradual mod development. The balance of moderate elements that allowed sanity to remain have now been removed from power and now the majority of what we are left with in power are the relative extremists; EF is now pretty much screwed as far as future balanced and moderate discourse goes, especially in any sensitive or political threads. The mod shake-up is a dream come true for many of the most prolific trolls on the forum and there will now be no reigning them in with the clear bias they will undoubtedly be shown. TonyClifton et al, your time has come, fill your boots!

When this thread has run its course and everyone has said their piece, which the mods are clearly allowing everyone to do otherwise there would have already been many bannings, then I think it's clear that the iron rod will be out in force and the most vocal dissent quashed quickly and quietly, likely with extended-but-not-quite-permanent bans.

Oh well, time to sit back and see how it all plays out and if thelocal take any action or if they just leave it to descend into chaos.

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Certainly, actively derailing a thread is completely unmodly, as it's against forum rules.

Thus you have just called for 3Wishes to step down, too.
And you confirmed that Ace1's demoding was justified.

See the evangelicals thread, as one of quite a few cases. When this was raised in the past, the cop-out was that this was said as non-mod. Well, if that's Ok the same must logically apply to the other mods, including MC. But obviously you're not of that opinion, as shown by the quotes.

Looking forward to you and olygirl demanding, relentlessly in the case of olygirl, for 3wishes to step down. Not that I'd like to see 3wishes oblige, or thought that it would be warranted, but unless you reserve the right to apply doublestandards I wonder how you get out of this hole you dug for yourselves.

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And doropfiz, your argument that MC has repeatedly and by many been asked to step down applies to at least 22y and Ace1 as well (IIRC threads were started on them) yet you seem to be against their demoding. Again, please be consistent, by the same logic of yours you should also be for these two's demoding.
Unlike you, I don't read every thread on EF. If they have misbehaved too, then it would be logical, yes. However, MC has consistently been furthering a negative atmosphere, refuses to address any challenges made properly and often goes off into frankly disjointed ramblings. As someone with a degree in linguistics, her glaring lack of care in how she words things can only be entirely intentional.

Neither of the people you mention have followed people around the forum with the sole purpose of antagonising them - as far as I know. Like I said, there are many threads I won't even touch because it's clear that they will just be a circle j*rk of certain members patting each other on the shoulder while others try to put forth sensible arguments.

I have screen shots of that one time MC was so out of line that I asked her to delete her post and she actually did. Because she saw sense in the end I won't share them, everyone has their lapses of judgement. However, for a normal user to have to point out to a mod that they have crossed the line is odd. And I made the screenshot in case her mercurial nature gets me banned for pushing back, one needs ammo to prove ulterior motive. Isn't it sad that one has to think of it in that way?
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-MusicChick - Mostly incoherent, political views veer towards the right.
Can't say I've noticed

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-FMF - Extreme lack of empathy and heavily narcissistic traits, political views veer towards the right.
Good at financial advice.

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-Tonyclifton - alternate account of previously banned user, political views veer sharply towards the right, engages in incessant political trolling.
Nothing to add there

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Can't say I've noticed

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-Urs Max - known for extreme (as far as this forum goes) misogyny and taking everything personally.
Great at Swiss legal advice.

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-st2lemans - Compulsive liar and egomaniac.
Never to be taken seriously. Ever.


This is a fun game. -chuff, woke snowflake, veers towards the left.
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