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It can be likened to the US Supreme Court. Many Judges (of course, not all), after being appointed, move towards the center, regardless of whether they started on the Left or Right.

I agree, let's see what happens. Best of luck to FMF!
Yea, well FMF already thanking each and every comment in his favor on this thread already shows clear biases and is the same sort of passive aggressive behavior used by another mod on this forum. So yea, we will see then.
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I only posted the reason after permission, which did not form any part of a PM.

You clearly never received an infraction or warning, they have 1 of 5(?) possible reasons, a PM is sent in addition that did contain some whining that was irrelevant to the reason stated for the infraction.
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"Ace1: The infraction for you, despite being asked not to do so multiple times, attacking another forum member? The infraction which was issued instead of a ban, as might have happened in the past? The infraction that nobody else can see, only you and the mod team?"

Before any permission was given. Was that posted in a thread? If not, then it's private and shouldn't have been posted.

And no I haven't received a warning or infraction that I recall; if I did it was long ago.
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:43
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Re: Mod shakeup

Bingo! I mostly agree with this, though not sure they are with us as much as just ignoring the "beef of the week!" Which probably explains why the various iterations of Editor Bob don't really spend much time here with oversight. As long as the page views keep increasing...

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Maybe the Forum Overlords are just trying to f**k with all of us. Because hey, the more time we argue, the more time we spend here, which equates to more ad revenue for the EF.
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:45
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Do any of us ever click on those ads intentionally? And I for one hardly ever go to The Local as it is a mediocre news source with a paywall.
I'm pretty sure they generate ad revenue from companies paying to advertise here, so it's not really just a matter of whether or not someone clicks on the ads. I think it's more a matter of visibility. So imagine if you worked for the EF / The Local and were trying to convince a company to advertise on the English Forum. You would probably show them traffic reports (e.g. how many people visit the EF per day, per hour, etc.) to help try to convince them to pay to advertise here.

As I'm typing this, I'm seeing an ad on the right side of my screen for American Express.
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:45
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Yea, well FMF already thanking each and every comment in his favor already shows clear biases and is the same sort of passive aggressive behavior used by another mod on this forum. So yea, we will see then.
That's his right. I wish the other mods would pipe up a bit and be more transparent but, ultimately, their job is to keep EF an unbiased, impartial and open-minded forum through the use of their mod powers.

FMF has always been very vocal which makes his appointment a bit more polarising.
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:47
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You posted this
"Ace1: The infraction for you, despite being asked not to do so multiple times, attacking another forum member? The infraction which was issued instead of a ban, as might have happened in the past? The infraction that nobody else can see, only you and the mod team?"

Before any permission was given. Was that posted in a thread? If not, then it's private and shouldn't have been posted.

And no I haven't received a warning or infraction that I recall; if I did it was long ago.
I did NOT post that, ACE 1 did.
I asked to post the reason for the infraction with a link, nothing whatsoever to do with the PM that ACE1 disclosed.

https://www.englishforum.ch/3316055-post40.html
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:47
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Re: Mod shakeup

And it was a bannable offense to even mention EnglishTalk or how to join... Those were the days!

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As I recall, a certain long time member here had massive butthurt over something trivial and talked trash about the alternative forum. Plus other people had their panties in a twist over the loss of “loyalty” to EF. So same old shit. It was right around when the local was introduced into ef. Typical petty nonsense. It was sad.... basically nice people.

Alternative groups can co-exist. It‘s not an either or situation. To demand loyalty in such a way is controlling.
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You posted this
"Ace1: The infraction for you, despite being asked not to do so multiple times, attacking another forum member? The infraction which was issued instead of a ban, as might have happened in the past? The infraction that nobody else can see, only you and the mod team?"
That wasn't FMF. He screwed up a reply and ended up editing my post instead (since corrected) which may have lead to some confusion.

Anyway, the Infraction reason and text is sent as a PM, yes, but as it was a PM from me, I can't see how me repeating it in public is breaching anyone else's privacy.

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I did NOT post that, ACE 1 did.
I asked to post the reason for the infraction with a link, nothing whatsoever to do with the PM that ACE1 disclosed.
Actually, all I quoted was the Infraction message itself, nothing from the follow-up PMs.
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:51
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Come on, that's really not a fair assessment. Why would you NOT acknowledge the posts that support giving you a fair shake? Just looking at many of them, I am quite sure that they are not only coming from people who share his political opinions.

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Yea, well FMF already thanking each and every comment in his favor on this thread already shows clear biases and is the same sort of passive aggressive behavior used by another mod on this forum. So yea, we will see then.
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:53
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:54
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And it was a bannable offense to even mention EnglishTalk or how to join... Those were the days!
Oh right. I forgot that petty silliness.
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I'm cool, thanks. The view of the Libyan Sea from our bungalow on Crete is quite calming, and honestly, this is all a bit groundhog day, so any emotional investment has long since evaporated.

I'm just anxious for the future of the forum, is all. I've put a lot of time and effort into trying to remain balanced, and have been by far the most active in the last couple of years dealing with day-to-day issues like mispostings, closing threads, merging posts and threads, approving new users etc. etc.

My worry is that with two of us gone and the others locked out, it will be down to MC, who's done very little of the donkey work, and FMF, to whom it's all new, so we might end up with more spam getting through (hey, apparently I'm still a Spam Deputy though) and inaction to try to calm the petty squabbles.

Which, I might note, seem to have largely calmed down quite a lot recently. Let's see if it stays that way.
I couldn't agree more on the "Groundhog day" and the emotional investment being evaporated.

I hope whoever at The Local who has the power to correct these things, will do it.

I don't mind FMF as a mod, but removing a few of you from the mod team doesn't make any sense. I think the forum will lose any sense of balance and fairness and it will become increasingly unappealing for general discussions. Maybe if it's going to be used as a (good) source for practical info or meet-ups among expats, who knows, it still has a chance.
Anyways, thank you for your great job here, I agree you did a very good job. I hope it won't end like this, at least you'll get an official thank you, an explanation, something, anything.
Enjoy your holidays!
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:55
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That's his right. I wish the other mods would pipe up a bit and be more transparent but, ultimately, their job is to keep EF an unbiased, impartial and open-minded forum through the use of their mod powers.

FMF has always been very vocal which makes his appointment a bit more polarising.
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Old 11.06.2021, 11:58
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And it was a bannable offense to even mention EnglishTalk or how to join... Those were the days!
that ban reason hasn't been revoked. he mentioned ET! ban him! ban him!
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Old 11.06.2021, 12:02
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I couldn't agree more on the "Groundhog day" and the emotional investment being evaporated.

I hope whoever at the Local who has the power to correct these things, will do it.

I don't mind FMF as a mod, but removing a few of you from the mod team doesn't make any sense. I think the forum will lose any sense of balance and it will become increasingly unappealing for other discussions. Maybe if it's going to be used as a good source for practical info or meet-ups, who knows, it still has a chance.
This part of removing mods without any notice to members is unacceptable. There should be at least some motivation given behind such actions/sanctions.

I do not see any reasons though for some posters to be so emotional and take it so personally. Participation here is not mandatory and there is life outside the EF. We mustn’t forget about it. Life could go on before we all joined the forum and life will still go on outside the forum.

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Old 11.06.2021, 12:08
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Life could go on before we all joined the forum amd life will still go on outside the forum.
That's what they want to believe.....Moderna and Pfizer vaccines contained chips that control our minds and we'll never be able to leave EF
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Old 11.06.2021, 12:11
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That's what they want to believe.....Moderna and Pfizer vaccines contained chips that control our minds and we'll never be able to leave EF
So, what you're saying is that they've been demoted for not getting vaxed?

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Bingo! I mostly agree with this, though not sure they are with us as much as just ignoring the "beef of the week!" Which probably explains why the various iterations of Editor Bob don't really spend much time here with oversight. As long as the page views keep increasing...
There can be good oversight, just descreet. And it can also be out of respect. I never had a problem with lack of answers from EB when I needed them.

I think mods and top supervisors can hang out within the community and enjoy it while they work, or run stuff disctreetly from the backroom. It does not automatically translates into a lack of transparency. I actually prefer discretion to over the top bans or dragging people's personal issues out in public.

Another thing is, there would be a lot more presence if the environment was more receptive, I am pretty sure about that.

We will work on it.

FMF - welcome on board. Sorry for the lack of fanfair, Fridays get nuts.

For the respect of people envolved, I prefer to not dig in details of the 'shake-up', FMF is doing a good and honest job, explaining.

This country democratically respects the diversity of opinion, as long as it is expressed in a civil way, that's all.

Hope I didn't come out as too teachery.
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Old 11.06.2021, 12:13
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So, what you're saying is that they've been demoted for not getting vaxed?

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If I Thank your post, will it save me from getting banned for posting about THAT OTHER FORUM!?! ;-)

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There can be good oversight, just descreet. And it can also be out of respect. I never had a problem with lack of answers from EB when I needed them.

I think mods and top supervisors can hang out within the community and enjoy it while they work, or run stuff disctreetly from the backroom. It does not automatically translates into a lack of transparency. I actually prefer discretion to over the top bans or dragging people's personal issues out in public.

Another thing is, there would be a lot more presence if the environment was more receptive, I am pretty sure about that.

We will work on it.

FMF - welcome on board. Sorry for the lack of fanfair, Fridays get nuts.

For the respect of people envolved, I prefer to not dig in details of the 'shake-up', FMF is doing a good and honest job, explaining.

This country democratically respects the diversity of opinion, as long as it is expressed in a civil way, that's all.

Hope I didn't come out as too teachery.
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