Mod shakeup

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	Sure, fill your boots if it makes you happy. In fact, I'll do it for you. For other's info, this is part of long-standing feud between FMF and another member where he consistently attempts to wind her up with accusations based on something completely unrelated to current topics. This is why he was given an infraction. My comment on the infaction was

You keep saying this however the post that got the infraction was not related to previous unrelated topics.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I wonder what the OP has to hide

This is the post that you infracted & it caused your downfall, it was not the only one that irritated me! I gave you the possibility to back track, suck it up.

[Pancakes]

22Yards is (or was? ) one of my very favorite people here, so I'm sad to him go. But at the same time, I completely understand why he would no longer want to be a part of this place and hopefully it will, in time, prove to be a blessing in disguise of sorts to allow him to have more time to enjoy his life in the real world and no longer have to deal with the nasty politics of an online forum, which at times can feel rather soul-sucking for lack of better terms.

As for FatManFilms... Despite the fact that he and I have different political views, I have never really felt that he treated me badly because of it, which I appreciate. Maybe others have had a different experience with him, though (which sounds like it might be the case). But I wish him the best and hope he can find a way to establish and maintain some sense of peace on the EF.

One thing I've come to notice about the EF is that, if you take long breaks from here, it becomes much easier to be objective about it. In fact, you almost come to forget who you do and don't like. lol. So with that said, I think that the more time you spend here, the more easy it becomes to lose your objectivity and to get wrapped up in the politics of it, etc. So in that case, I could see how it might become all the more difficult to be a mod and to be objective on the EF, since the more time you spend here, the more you get sucked in.

Most of us (I think) don't care who the mods are, the mods are ideally there to admit new people and fix threads and remove spam and scam etc.

Most of us have never had any cause to reach out to a mod to complain about something or somebody.

I think those who care most about this are those who engage in internet arguments and general tit for tat and want a mod on their side to stand up for them after all the point proving evidence posting and general shouting has failed.

Good luck to FMF in the new thankless role

[greenmount]

	Quote:	jacek
	This part of removing mods without any notice to members is unacceptable. There should be at least some motivation given behind such actions/sanctions. I do not see any reasons though for some posters to be so emotional and take it so personally. Participation here is not mandatory and there is life outside the EF. We mustn’t forget about it. Life could go on before we all joined the forum and life will still go on outside the forum.

Spot on.

[jacek]

	Quote:	John_H
	Most of us (I think) don't care who the mods are, the mods are ideally there to admit new people and fix threads and remove spam and scam etc. Most of us have never had any cause to reach out to a mod to complain about something or somebody. I think those who care most about this are those who engage in internet arguments and general tit for tat and want a mod on their side to stand up for them after all the point proving evidence posting and general shouting has failed. Good luck to FMF in the new thankless role

Exactly. The mods take up additional challenge of managing this forum without any compensation. In reward, they only get those members who cannot stop arguing and complaining. That makes their life more difficult. Members actually should support Mods in their already tough job instead of adding more unnecessary and unproductive, toxic work.

[Susie-Q]

	Quote:	John_H
	Most of us (I think) don't care who the mods are, the mods are ideally there to admit new people and fix threads and remove spam and scam etc. Most of us have never had any cause to reach out to a mod to complain about something or somebody. I think those who care most about this are those who engage in internet arguments and general tit for tat and want a mod on their side to stand up for them after all the point proving evidence posting and general shouting has failed. Good luck to FMF in the new thankless role

I can handle my internet arguments myself, thank-you. As I said earlier, mods should be unbiased as they do have the power to do more than fix threads and admit new people.

We literally just had two hard working mods removed from their duties and then handed over to someone who they had a personal disagreement with. If that doesn't concern you, then fine. I personally find it to be pathetic and unfair.

I personally have decided to follow some of the lovely advice on this thread and will take a break... wishing you a wonderful sunny weekend ahead.

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Absolutely not. From the forum rules: "Expectation of Privacy Any communication sent via Private Message or Reputation Comment must not be posted or quoted in any publicly viewable area without the permission of the sender." What you and FMF have done would be an instant permanent ban anywhere else.

But he did have the permission of the sender

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	jacek
	Members actually should support Mods in their already tough job instead of adding more unnecessary and unproductive, toxic work.

I fully support FMF in his new mod role.

Let the banning begin!

Tom

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is one of the reasons why I didn't sign up, I didn't think it would get traction and also that it may become an echo chamber.

Those rival forums started up (and failed) many years ago. You wouldn't have had any idea of what they were like if you hadn't already been a member of EF, to give some perspective. Yet:

TonyClifton
Join Date: Sep 2019

So, who exactly are you? What was your former username on EF?

As for the shenanigans this morning, I find it very hard to believe that Editor Bob would act decisively on a single petulant email from a member renowned for bullying and aggression, yet such a snowflake that he can't take any criticism of himself and immediately projects his own behaviour onto others. I smell the involvement of another mod here. Otherwise, does anybody care to explain why I have been demoted in this latest "coup attempt"?

[st2lemans]

	Quote:
	does anybody care to explain why I have been demoted in this latest "coup attempt"?

So that I can throw my hat into the ring as your "mod"erate replacement?

(just did so, actually)

Tom

[marton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Going behind your back and getting all vindictive? Nice. @Ace, it's a wonderful weather outside, you may want to take advantage of it and get a better perspective on these things.... We probably invested emotionally in this online community (in spite of our better judgement lol) but it's just more and more polarised and ridiculous.

Good point, I mean "We probably invested emotionally in this online community (in spite of our better judgment lol)".

Probably a good time to take an EF holiday until the next palace revolution.

[porsch1909]

	Quote:
	Those rival forums started up (and failed) many years ago. You wouldn't have had any idea of what they were like if you hadn't already been a member of EF, to give some perspective. Yet: TonyClifton Join Date: Sep 2019 So, who exactly are you? What was your former username on EF? As for the shenanigans this morning, I find it very hard to believe that Editor Bob would act decisively on a single petulant email from a member renowned for bullying and aggression, yet such a snowflake that he can't take any criticism of himself and immediately projects his own behaviour onto others. I smell the involvement of another mod here. Otherwise, does anybody care to explain why I have been demoted in this latest "coup attempt"?

Well obviously it's MC and she knows what has happened and doesn't want to tell us to protect those 'envolved', which are presumably you and Ace1. You should be thanking her!?

	Quote:	MusicChick
	For the respect of people envolved, I prefer to not dig in details of the 'shake-up', FMF is doing a good and honest job, explaining.

[JackieH]

Bloody hell - what a beautiful day outside. Life is just too short.

[curley]

	Quote:	Susie-Q
	Yea, well FMF already thanking each and every comment in his favor on this thread already shows clear biases and is the same sort of passive aggressive behavior used by another mod on this forum. So yea, we will see then.

Absolutely, I can't stand polite people, they are so biased.
Seriously?!

	Quote:	jacek
	This part of removing mods without any notice to members is unacceptable. There should be at least some motivation given behind such actions/sanctions. I do not see any reasons though for some posters to be so emotional and take it so personally. Participation here is not mandatory and there is life outside the EF. We mustn’t forget about it. Life could go on before we all joined the forum and life will still go on outside the forum.

We don't really need to know, do we, as John_H already mentioned. But removing mods without telling THEM is very much out of line, I do agree.
After all they provided a service which loads of people actually thought they could/should comment on, not sparing the personal attacks and it was unpaid.
So the least EB could have done was inform them that the assignment is over and thank you very much for services rendered.

But then again that would be polite and I just learnt politeness is being biased.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	fduvall
	If I Thank your post, will it save me from getting banned for posting about THAT OTHER FORUM!?! ;-)

Which one. A dog one?

	Quote:	Patxi
	All y'all are wack. I support EditorBob. Full support for MC and FMF as well. They are both a bit unbalanced...

I should drink less coffee, ja?

[jacek]

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	Those rival forums started up (and failed) many years ago. You wouldn't have had any idea of what they were like if you hadn't already been a member of EF, to give some perspective. Yet: TonyClifton Join Date: Sep 2019 So, who exactly are you? What was your former username on EF? As for the shenanigans this morning, I find it very hard to believe that Editor Bob would act decisively on a single petulant email from a member renowned for bullying and aggression, yet such a snowflake that he can't take any criticism of himself and immediately projects his own behaviour onto others. I smell the involvement of another mod here. Otherwise, does anybody care to explain why I have been demoted in this latest "coup attempt"?

It’s simple. The 22 yards supports Bitcoin and FMF supports Fundsmith. It couldn’t end up well

On a serious note though, the EF is like a Kindergarten with questions and answers. Sooner or later someone will explain it all.

[My2pups]

I tend to agree that if/when a Mod is removed, they should be privy to the discussion or at minimum be informed directly by Editor Bob.

From the numerous discussions around the topic of Mod removal, maybe I am mistaken, but I thought it was not possible for a single Mod (or even 2) to orchestrate/facilitate removal of other Mods.

Can anyone explain the process?

	Quote:
	As for the shenanigans this morning, I find it very hard to believe that Editor Bob would act decisively on a single petulant email from a member renowned for bullying and aggression, yet such a snowflake that he can't take any criticism of himself and immediately projects his own behaviour onto others. I smell the involvement of another mod here. Otherwise, does anybody care to explain why I have been demoted in this latest "coup attempt"?

[Ato]

	Quote:
	Those rival forums started up (and failed) many years ago. You wouldn't have had any idea of what they were like if you hadn't already been a member of EF, to give some perspective. Yet: TonyClifton Join Date: Sep 2019 So, who exactly are you? What was your former username on EF?

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	To follow up on this, I'm not sure if people are aware just how many members have been banned for having the "wrong opinions". Almost always by the same moderators. Furthermore, how many members have deleted their profile. I've even had people reach out to me about starting up a rival forum!!!

It looks like Tony is saying he has been approached about starting a forum, not joining one of the forums that predate his existence.

[Ouchboy]

	Quote:
	Those rival forums started up (and failed) many years ago. You wouldn't have had any idea of what they were like if you hadn't already been a member of EF, to give some perspective. Yet: TonyClifton Join Date: Sep 2019 So, who exactly are you? What was your former username on EF?

my money was on Phos, but that numpty had a user on ET.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	Well obviously it's MC and she knows what has happened and doesn't want to tell us to protect those 'envolved', which are presumably you and Ace1. You should be thanking her!?

I think there's been a misunderstanding I was only approached at the beginning of this year about starting a rival forum.