Misogyny on EF? Let's discuss

[Sky]

I given only 2 groans in 12 years here.
Both were for bad behaviour towards women or demeaning thoughts about women that I felt was totally unacceptable.
I also get ticked off if I read somebody calling a woman a sl*t.
No way, not allowed, just behave.

And I’d feel exactly the same if it were a man who was receiving abuse or being diminished.

Abuse leaves a mark on people.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	olygirl
	The definition of misandry is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e. the male sex). The definition for misogyny is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. I see far more misogyny on this forum than misandry but I would never go as far as to say it doesn't happen. To me, the idea that male posters here are dismissing any misogyny and then complaining about misandry is clearly mysogynistic. (I never thought I'd write a sentence like that )

I find the concept of dislike or contempt for anyone very alien.
It's an interesting subject, which I had not been following on the forum till now.

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	ZuriRollt
	You forgot the dickheads

Why the groan - you were never a “dickhead” - only always informative from the posts that I read? There are however several misogynists on this site - and I would never include you as one.

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Misandry is a much bigger problem. Tom

Isn’t it just a fact of life - you men are just,well, irritating. At least you get paid and prioritised for it.

Us women are paid less for being irritating.

Luckily we women got the vote here in Switzerland. In 1971, 65.7 % of (male) voters approved the right of Swiss women to vote and stand for election at the federal level - Yeeeehhh.

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	olygirl
	A story from my online Jassing days (Swiss card game). I use the same nickname but, of course, 99% of the players are Swiss. For some reason, "girl" comes across to some men as an invitation for sex. I've been propositioned a few times and when I reply that I'm only interested in playing Jass, they quit the game. I never thought my nickname was so suggestive. It comes from a marketing campaign for Olympia beer back in the 70s. It also refers to the place I come from.

That’s dreadful. But even in my retirement years and thinking back - some Swiss (male and female) are drawn to the openness of ex-pats. It’s something really new for them.

I personally would avoid (regret) such contacts again. Women in Switzerland only got the vote in recent history.

Speaking from a “girl” that came here in 1986, now retired.

And I don’t really think that the majority of the male Swiss population here have quite adjusted yet to the idea of females being equal (but they are finally getting there, pretty quickly).

This is however a site for people coming from other countries - and here I see the same pattern increased, it’s true.

[otec]

	Quote:	olygirl
	In regards to Cliini Muus's post on another thread, let's discuss: https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post3342696 Written by Cliini Muus: The choice to be silent is as complicit as the act itself. No male poster gets to absolve himself, by remaining silent, when he could speak out. A woman was referred to as a sl*t on the board. It was me alone who objected to the pejorative team visibly. I was then attacked for speaking out. 2 examples from a thread from recent days: Anti-women post example 1: https://www.englishforum.ch/3341950-post38.html My response to that post having been posted (NB not a random post by me, but a response to an existing post on the same thread): https://www.englishforum.ch/3342029-post49.html The silencing: https://www.englishforum.ch/3342034-post51.html Anti-women post example 2: https://www.englishforum.ch/3342144-post65.html My response to that post having been posted (NB not a random post by me, but a response to an existing post on the same thread): https://www.englishforum.ch/3342423-post76.html The silencing: https://www.englishforum.ch/3342445-post79.html Rinse and repeat. Reply With Quote

What ? Why am I here ?

You seriously need to get a life.

[TonyClifton]

Yes, there have been a few isolated incidences of misogyny on EF. No, it's not a serious problem, and certainly doesn't warrant its own thread!!

[nickatbasel]

There is also a track record of anti LGBTQ+ on this forum. I reported a specific post that still stands which is viewable also by non-members.

It would be a shame if advertisers on this site were to become aware that their products and services are advertised on such a site.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	nickatbasel
	There is also a track record of anti LGBTQ+ on this forum. I reported a specific post that still stands which is viewable also by non-members. It would be a shame if advertisers on this site were to become aware that their products and services are advertised on such a site.

Can you send me a link?

[curley]

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	There are xenophobes, racists, homophobes, misogynists and every possible variety of bigots, tossers and smegheads on EF. There are people who vehemently deny it, and there are people who are never accused of it. Draw your own conclusions.

Obviously EF got a "I'm not a robot" captcha on entry.

	Quote:	olygirl
	.... The definition for misogyny is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.....

	Quote:	olygirl
	A story from my online Jassing days (Swiss card game). I use the same nickname but, of course, 99% of the players are Swiss. For some reason, "girl" comes across to some men as an invitation for sex. I've been propositioned a few times and when I reply that I'm only interested in playing Jass, they quit the game. I never thought my nickname was so suggestive. It comes from a marketing campaign for Olympia beer back in the 70s. It also refers to the place I come from.

And the conclusion is men want sex with whom they dislike and contemn?
True, they are weird.
Depressing, what does that say about my love-life in the past?

It's funny to me how it's often said "he doesn't like me because I'm a woman" or "he doesn't like me because I'm pink".
Maybe he just doesn't like me? It happens.

[parnell]

	Quote:	curley
	Maybe he just doesn't like me? It happens.

I like you

[Tom1234]

	Quote:	parnell
	I've always found the name calling tiresome and indicative of paucity of argument - however the hounding of MC (who seems to be female) is getting out of hand and I think firm steps are needed there.

I thought that had stopped and people were basically ignoring her as they couldn't put her on an ignore list?

Please give some examples of where she has been hounded in the last two or three weeks (you wrote 'is' rather than using the past tense) or perhaps you ought to retract your inflammatory post?

[curley]

	Quote:	parnell
	I like you

LOL, that's a lip service though as you don't know me.

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	parnell
	I've never thought those things of you but I fully support your desire to openly identify as any or all of them.

You They identify themselves soon enough.

[parnell]

	Quote:	Tom1234
	I thought that had stopped and people were basically ignoring her as they couldn't put her on an ignore list? Please give some examples of where she has been hounded in the last two or three weeks (you wrote 'is' rather than using the past tense) or perhaps you ought to retract your inflammatory post?

Keep your pants on there cowboy I didn't call for any witch burnings.

There was this from today which raised both eyebrows. No point in posting it all but here's a taste :

	Quote:
	Lets be clear that MC has zero interest in moderating this forum in any sensible way. During her years anyone who has been here to watch knows that she has actively encouraged right-wing propaganda, scientific and non-scientific misinformation and pretty much the full range right-wing fringe lunatic crap you can think of. While she doesn't always come out with direct written support, all you have to do is look at her not-so-subtle trail of Thanks, given insidiously to so many of the forums worst offenders. Thanks are a great way to see what people really think, and if you pay attention to them you will see that there is a core selection of notorious members who repeatedly thank each other throughout specific themes and topics where we see the worst kinds of posts.

[Kittster]

	Quote:	parnell
	Keep your pants on there cowboy I didn't call for any witch burnings. There was this from today which raised both eyebrows. No point in posting it all but here's a taste :

It's not exactly hounding when it is quite simply true.

[My2pups]

Yee cats... this!

Olygirl, your constant harping about misogyny... just put them on ignore! This is an internet message board. None of us really has any control over how people post.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I just find this pedantic telling people how they should behave on this forum rather tiring.

[parnell]

	Quote:	Kittster
	It's not exactly hounding when it is quite simply true.

Please learn to use the language you post in :

1. To pursue relentlessly and tenaciously: The suspect was hounded by the police for weeks.
2.
a. To make repeated demands of or subject to persistent criticism: Her parents hounded her until she agreed to look for a better job. See Synonyms at harass.
b. To pressure or force from a place or situation: accusations that hounded him out of office.


In addition it is certainly personally insulting and therefore in violation of the board rules.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	parnell
	I've always found the name calling tiresome and indicative of paucity of argument ...

Oh the irony!

F.A.O. Mods: Please feel free to inspect the comment this member posted on the red rep he awarded me on Friday.

[Tom1234]

	Quote:	parnell
	There was this from today which raised both eyebrows. No point in posting it all but here's a taste :

I didn't see that single post. As others have said, one post isn't hounding.

	Quote:	parnell
	In addition it is certainly personally insulting and therefore in violation of the board rules.

It wasn't personally insulting. It was pretty factual.

It was describing her inflammatory posting style which, in my opinion, she has toned down in the last few weeks - which is perhaps why she hasn't had posts criticising her (apart from one yesterday).