Misogyny on EF? Let's discuss

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	mannie organ
	I haven't been on EF for a good few years and sadly I won't be for many years to come. This used to be such a decent place, sadly it has detoriated, Mark would be turning in his grave

You were an active poster until 2013 & have posted on average less than once a year since then.

Could you tell me why you stopped posting actively 8 years ago?

[roegner]

For reasons I‘d say. Not necessary to announce imho

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	gaburko
	Give the woman a break! She's been dealing with small penises all afternoon and even getting her daughter involved didn't help!

Oi!
You can't out her daughter, least of all her small penis.

[LtSoftDrink]

	Quote:	mannie organ
	I haven't been on EF for a good few years and sadly I won't be for many years to come. This used to be such a decent place, sadly it has detoriated, Mark would be turning in his grave

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You were an active poster until 2013 & have posted on average less than once a year since then. Could you tell me why you stopped posting actively 8 years ago?

	Quote:	roegner
	For reasons I‘d say. Not necessary to announce imho

IMHO FMF posed a civil question to an inactive long time member about their statement that the site has deteriorated. An “announcement” is certainly not necessary – could be interesting however. 2013 - did the rot set in that early

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	LtSoftDrink
	IMHO FMF posed a civil question to an inactive long time member about their statement that the site has deteriorated. An “announcement” is certainly not necessary – could be interesting however. 2013 - did the rot set in that early

I was surprised by the response too.

Actually the rot had set in before that, I have found threads going back to 2008 where people, complain especially about the moderators

[FairDinkum]

	Quote:	mannie organ
	I haven't been on EF for a good few years and sadly I won't be for many years to come. This used to be such a decent place, sadly it has detoriated, Mark would be turning in his grave

This is classics.. there's always someone who doesnt even like the topics, doesnt like the new people around, would not get involved anyhow but is not lazy therefore they'd bother logging in and opening a thread, clicking reply and saying "hi mates your forum sucks.. no good. Before it was better. Now I dont even want to join you here" ...

so, who says the forum wants you? then, you're not the same person as 5 or 10y ago, we're not the same either.. On top of everything I seriously believe how this covid has totally changed us, some are more depresive, some are more aggresive, some became preechers, lesson givers, others became bitter or sad..
Sometimes it's some nostalgia.. it's like "oh I'll open the forum and I'll have topics and fun people as I had back then" but back it was a different story, you maybe just came to CH and were lookig for a flat and bars and boat rides.. now some are even retired so obviously have other intersts

at other times people whine about EF topics like "this topic is too stupid" as if it is difficult to just simply ignore it. I'm sure if we have a topic about -sex- so many will watch but with all the hidden options possible and just pop in from time to time to say "yuuuck you guys went so low" ) I bet.

[Pancakes]

I've been active on the EF, on and off, for the past 10 years or so. To be honest, I can't really remember a time when people here were consistently decent to one another. I think the problem use to be aggression directed toward "newbies" more, though (not sure). But the hostility here in general definitely seems to have become worse in the past few years.

Sometimes I think this place has a way of attracting people who enjoy arguing, whether they realize it or not. I don't know... But if you find that you're often wasting time on the EF arguing in circles or that it puts you in a bad mood, I do suggest taking a long break from here. Every time I've done that, I find myself feeling so much better and focus my time on doing more enjoyable and more productive things. And then if I do come back, it's easier to keep a distance from it and not get sucked into the madness.

[FairDinkum]

Pancakes, yes but then again are things in real life any different??
If you hang around with some friends... then dinner, agreeing disagreeing.. imagine they're anti-covid like me? and you cant even just shut down the tab, switch topic or groan

I've been stuck with some boring dinners and afternoons and I really think how here's much more fun. You can activate your neurons, fight, laugh, shut the window when you feel like it whereas in real life omg.. that can be a real torture.

[curley]

	Quote:	FairDinkum
	Pancakes, yes but then again are things in real life any different?? If you hang around with some friends... then dinner, agreeing disagreeing.. imagine they're anti-covid like me? and you cant even just shut down the tab, switch topic or groan I've been stuck with some boring dinners and afternoons and I really think how here's much more fun. You can activate your neurons, fight, laugh, shut the window when you feel like it whereas in real life omg.. that can be a real torture.

Unimaginable. I mean how can someone be anti-covid?

[bossybaby]

Jeez, this is why I stick to cooking and gardening. I've had enough argy-bargy in real life.

[curley]

	Quote:	bossybaby
	Jeez, this is why I stick to cooking and gardening. I've had enough argy-bargy in real life.

Exactly. You do know I'm expecting a soup that matches the colour of that beautiful rose you bragged about. (nope, orange won't work, we already discussed that )

[Pancakes]

	Quote:	FairDinkum
	Pancakes, yes but then again are things in real life any different?? If you hang around with some friends... then dinner, agreeing disagreeing.. imagine they're anti-covid like me? and you cant even just shut down the tab, switch topic or groan I've been stuck with some boring dinners and afternoons and I really think how here's much more fun. You can activate your neurons, fight, laugh, shut the window when you feel like it whereas in real life omg.. that can be a real torture.

Well, in real life, I'm pretty selective about the people I choose to be around. And I don't particularly enjoy arguing, so I don't intentionally put myself in those situations.

[lost_inbroad]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I was surprised by the response too. Actually the rot had set in before that, I have found threads going back to 2008 where people, complain especially about the moderators

Well, this is a classic case of a deflounced preflouncer. Quite rare these days.

[nickatbasel]

	Quote:	nickatbasel
	PM sent

Offending post removed. Thanks, FMF.

[Caleb]

I LOVE a good, intellectual-exchange argument, no matter the topic. But in EF (as well as in many other online forums), things get heated out of proportion, way faster than I like. It's like being behind the screen turns most people into snappy teenagers. I'm too old for that kind of stuff, and bar a few exceptions, I tend to stay away. Therefore I never noticed any significant misogyny around here. I'm NOT going looking for them either.

[vushka]

	Quote:	roegner
	For reasons I‘d say. Not necessary to announce imho

I don't see why not. If they can announce that the forum has just now deteriorated then they should be able to answer why they essentially stopped using it 7 years ago.

[Treverus]

	Quote:	olygirl
	A story from my online Jassing days (Swiss card game). I use the same nickname but, of course, 99% of the players are Swiss. For some reason, "girl" comes across to some men as an invitation for sex. I've been propositioned a few times and when I reply that I'm only interested in playing Jass, they quit the game. I never thought my nickname was so suggestive. It comes from a marketing campaign for Olympia beer back in the 70s. It also refers to the place I come from.

Ok, just to put that into context: online jass rooms are the darkest corner of the Swiss internet... a long time ago did I work for a company which besides thousands of other telecom services operated the largest online server for Jassing: it was well overrepresented in support and moderation effort. So much so that the guys working in support had a wall of shame with the best complaints and customer interactions printed out for everyone to see... my favourite was a written letter to the telecoms CEO complaining that the moderators banned him for insulting another player with pretty harsh words... "I only said this after reto123 called me a huere siech as well". Written by a guy who was clearly older than 12, most likely over 60 actually.

[nickatbasel]

	Quote:	Treverus
	Ok, just to put that into context: online jass rooms are the darkest corner of the Swiss internet

Do perverted Jass players have a well-thumbed collection of Jass mags?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	vushka
	I don't see why not. If they can announce that the forum has just now deteriorated then they should be able to answer why they essentially stopped using it 7 years ago.

Don’t worry there is a Facebook group if members that slags us off. I worked that out pretty quickly after the reply!

[amogles]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I was surprised by the response too. Actually the rot had set in before that, I have found threads going back to 2008 where people, complain especially about the moderators

Throughout the history of the EF people have been harking back to some supposed golden age when everything was perfect and people could still bitch about how much better things had been before that.