Misogyny on EF? Let's discuss

[olygirl]

In regards to Cliini Muus's post on another thread, let's discuss:

https://www.englishforum.ch/3342679-post133.html

Written by Cliini Muus:

The choice to be silent is as complicit as the act itself. No male poster gets to absolve himself, by remaining silent, when he could speak out.

A woman was referred to as a sl*t on the board. It was me alone who objected to the pejorative team visibly. I was then attacked for speaking out.

2 examples from a thread from recent days:


Anti-women post example 1:
https://www.englishforum.ch/3341950-post38.html
My response to that post having been posted (NB not a random post by me, but a response to an existing post on the same thread):
https://www.englishforum.ch/3342029-post49.html
The silencing:
https://www.englishforum.ch/3342034-post51.html


Anti-women post example 2:
https://www.englishforum.ch/3342144-post65.html
My response to that post having been posted (NB not a random post by me, but a response to an existing post on the same thread):
https://www.englishforum.ch/3342423-post76.html
The silencing:
https://www.englishforum.ch/3342445-post79.html


Rinse and repeat.
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[olygirl]

I'll start.

I do believe there is some anti-women posters on EF and there are times when posters are confronted with their statements. However, I also feel not all the posts above were misogynistic. Instead, Cliini Muus's complaints within those threads were designed to derail the thread for her own purpose. I did not feel Tom1234's posts were mysogynistic at all but more of a call out to stay on topic. I shared his frustration.

Edit: There are times when posts are definitely anti-female which I feel some mods happily ignore or even "like". It's almost like their signalling other posters to jump on the bandwagon because it's a free ride. This is what frustrates me.

[parnell]

	Quote:	olygirl
	I'll start. Instead, Cliini Muus's complaints within those threads were designed to derail the thread for her own purpose.

I agree with your diagnosis - gender neutral attention whoring.

[FairDinkum]

There is no misogyny on the EF. Case closed.

There can be a bit of a brawl and both sides can go for some stereotyping and teasing but that's just normal.

I'm more worried how men get to be called names for all and nothing... and women are equally practicing androgyny.

[parnell]

	Quote:	FairDinkum
	I'm more worried how men get to be called names for all and nothing... and women are equally practicing androgyny.

I've always found the name calling tiresome and indicative of paucity of argument - however the hounding of MC (who seems to be female) is getting out of hand and I think firm steps are needed there.

[olygirl]

	Quote:	FairDinkum
	There is no misogyny on the EF. Case closed. There can be a bit of a brawl and both sides can go for some stereotyping and teasing but that's just normal. I'm more worried how men get to be called names for all and nothing... and women are equally practicing androgyny.

I disagree with your synopsis. Stereotyping and teasing is open to interpretation and can be hurtful. That's not normal.

It's also frustrating to see how you deny any misogyny yet accuse others of practising androgyny. Don't you see what you're doing?

[parnell]

	Quote:	olygirl
	I disagree with your synopsis. Stereotyping and teasing is open to interpretation and can be hurtful. That's not normal. It's also frustrating to see how you deny any misogyny yet accuse others of practicing androgyny. Don't you see what you're doing?

He/she/insert gender pronoun isn't denying anything - they're making an observation - equally valid to yours or mine. If he had stats however on number of interactions then one could definitely infer something rather than observe. (see what i did there ? )

[NotAllThere]

There are xenophobes, racists, homophobes, misogynists and every possible variety of bigots, tossers and smegheads on EF.

There are people who vehemently deny it, and there are people who are never accused of it. Draw your own conclusions.

[k_and_e]

I just find this pedantic telling people how they should behave on this forum rather tiring.

[parnell]

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	There are xenophobes, racists, homophobes, misogynists and every possible variety of bigots, tossers and smegheads on EF. There are people who vehemently deny it, and there are people who are never accused of it. Draw your own conclusions.

I've never thought those things of you but I fully support your desire to openly identify as any or all of them.

[FairDinkum]

olygirl, the problem is how you are interpreting the definition of mysogyny.

Mysogyny is brutal and very aggresive, it's all about humiliating women are seeing them as lower human beings... This term got common because of all the media and such.. but before we'd say 'sexism'.

The thing is, you can not accuse (ever) men here how they're sexist or misogynistic because they're talking, joking,debating, exchanging with women on an equal level.
I said how women can practice androgyny because they actually can (if they want to) Therefore we are equal.

[st2lemans]

Misandry is a much bigger problem.

Tom

[olygirl]

A story from my online Jassing days (Swiss card game).

I use the same nickname but, of course, 99% of the players are Swiss. For some reason, "girl" comes across to some men as an invitation for sex. I've been propositioned a few times and when I reply that I'm only interested in playing Jass, they quit the game.

I never thought my nickname was so suggestive. It comes from a marketing campaign for Olympia beer back in the 70s. It also refers to the place I come from.

[parnell]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Misandry is a much bigger problem. Tom

I agree and the circumcision threads brought this home to me.

[parnell]

	Quote:	olygirl
	I use the same nickname but, of course, 99% of the players are Swiss. For some reason, "girl" comes across to some men as an invitation for sex. I've been propositioned a few times and when I reply that I'm only interested in playing Jass, they quit the game.

I haven't been propositioned as much as you I'm sure but when it happened I never saw it as misandry.

[olygirl]

The definition of misandry is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e. the male sex).

The definition for misogyny is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

I see far more misogyny on this forum than misandry but I would never go as far as to say it doesn't happen.

To me, the idea that male posters here are dismissing any misogyny and then complaining about misandry is clearly mysogynistic.

(I never thought I'd write a sentence like that )

[komsomolez]

	Quote:	olygirl
	In regards to Cliini Muus's post on another thread, let's discuss: https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post3342696 Written by Cliini Muus: The choice to be silent is as complicit as the act itself. No male poster gets to absolve himself, by remaining silent, when he could speak out. A woman was referred to as a sl*t on the board. It was me alone who objected to the pejorative team visibly. I was then attacked for speaking out. 2 examples from a thread from recent days: Anti-women post example 1: https://www.englishforum.ch/3341950-post38.html My response to that post having been posted (NB not a random post by me, but a response to an existing post on the same thread): https://www.englishforum.ch/3342029-post49.html The silencing: https://www.englishforum.ch/3342034-post51.html Anti-women post example 2: https://www.englishforum.ch/3342144-post65.html My response to that post having been posted (NB not a random post by me, but a response to an existing post on the same thread): https://www.englishforum.ch/3342423-post76.html The silencing: https://www.englishforum.ch/3342445-post79.html Rinse and repeat. Reply With Quote

Can you explain what "The silencing" is supposed to mean?

The thread where this comes from was from and about a guy who is not man enough to throw a trespasser with benefits out of his home. The two posts quoted and then "silenced" refer to this situation in a direct way. Why is this turning into a misogyny discussion?

[parnell]

	Quote:	olygirl
	The definition of misandry is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e. the male sex). The definition for misogyny is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Right go on so - produce a small number of posts that demonstrate "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women." and let's examine that.

	Quote:	olygirl
	To me, the idea that male posters here are dismissing any misogyny and then complaining about misandry is clearly mysogynistic.

Not "dismissing" - just not "detecting". Until you can produce reasonable evidence your statement about the clarity of any mysoginy is at best anecdotal and at worst indicative of your own misandry.

[Patxi]

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Can you explain what "The silencing" is supposed to mean? The thread where this comes from was from and about a guy who is not man enough to throw a trespasser with benefits out of his home. The two posts quoted and then "silenced" refer to this situation in a direct way. Why is this turning into a misogyny discussion?

Well clearly, the OP in that thread needs to "grow a pair" which is considered sexist as it is implying that having testicles will enable one to solve problems. It's really a sticky situation and some female (or castrated male) forum members will be triggered. Probably best to remain silent in this case but then that is also signaling complicity.

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	There are xenophobes, racists, homophobes, misogynists and every possible variety of bigots, tossers and smegheads on EF. There are people who vehemently deny it, and there are people who are never accused of it. Draw your own conclusions.

You forgot the dickheads