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Old 01.10.2021, 07:27
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Mod deletions

Dear Mods

I have been quite active here in the last year, and if I remember correctly only one of my posts ever got deleted by mods (and rightly so).

In the last few days, around 6-8 of my posts got deleted. Reasons apparently OT and/or response so someone else's OT or "twattery". While in those threads there certainly was diaagreement and somewhat a spicy debate, discussions were at least related to the title subject and no insults were thrown. I believe the response rate in the threads showed that people took interest in the discussions.

I find this interventionism annoying and discouraging debate.

Is this meant to become a pure help forum where I can ask where to buy milk, and the only permissable responses are Coop and Migros?

Very frustrating. I mean this is an internet chat place, not the yellow pages. It would be useful to hear what the policy of running this now is. Unfortunately, neither editors or mods have said anything substantive to this point.

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Re: Mod deletions

Did you expect anything else after reopening? There is only one and “correct” point of view possible and only “normal” people keep posting, thanking each other in the circle
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Re: Mod deletions

The comments in question were indeed despicable and twattish. Misogyny and telling women that they need to lose weight for their opinion to matter is not "an opinion".
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:01
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Dear Mods

I have been quite active here in the last year, and if I remember correctly only one of my posts ever got deleted by mods (and rightly so).

In the last few days, around 6-8 of my posts got deleted. Reasons apparently OT and/or response so someone else's OT or "twattery". While in those threads there certainly was diaagreement and somewhat a spicy debate, discussions were at least related to the title subject and no insults were thrown. I believe the response rate in the threads showed that people took interest in the discussions.

I find this interventionism annoying and discouraging debate.

Is this meant to become a pure help forum where I can ask where to buy milk, and the only permissable responses are Coop and Migros?

Very frustrating. I mean this is an internet chat place, not the yellow pages. It would be useful to hear what the policy of running this now is. Unfortunately, neither editors or mods have said anything substantive to this point.

Warm beer indeed.
Maybe if you give more details about the post/thread other people can understand. So far, we're not mind readers.
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:04
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The comments in question were indeed despicable and twattish. Misogyny and telling women that they need to lose weight for their opinion to matter is not "an opinion".
Really? Are you sure? This post got deleted, why is that?

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Re: Mod deletions

The problem is that some posters come here just to provoke and create chaos. That’s what happened to that thread. To be honest, I don’t think that even they believe in the stuff they write but just enjoy getting a rise from people’s reactions.

It’s disingenuous.
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:15
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In the last few days, around 6-8 of my posts got deleted. Reasons apparently OT and/or response so someone else's OT or "twattery". While in those threads there certainly was diaagreement and somewhat a spicy debate, discussions were at least related to the title subject and no insults were thrown. I believe the response rate in the threads showed that people took interest in the discussions.

I find this interventionism annoying and discouraging debate.

Is this meant to become a pure help forum where I can ask where to buy milk, and the only permissable responses are Coop and Migros?

Very frustrating. I mean this is an internet chat place, not the yellow pages. It would be useful to hear what the policy of running this now is. Unfortunately, neither editors or mods have said anything substantive to this point.

Warm beer indeed.
On a second read, this is an internet chat place FOR YOU.

For lots of other people it's about how to find a place to rent, import a car, bring the family to CH, get something repaired at home while avoid getting scammed in the process, sell/buy/give away stuff, organize some beers with others in a bar.

So, the internet chat place is a rather poor and limited understanding of the forum.
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:22
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Re: Mod deletions

I've rarely had posts deleted, but it does happen from time to time. And then always with a standard PM message. I've mostly not been able to reconstruct why my post was deleted. That's especially so if my post was amongst a cluster of other posts that were deleted, so that the context is no longer clear within that thread.

Occasionally, I've asked the mod who made the deletion to explain (which is what the standard message invited me to do). In all cases, then, the mod was able to give me the reason, and it was always to do with either a) a thread split, or b) a number of other posts also having been deleted because they related to someone else's disallowed post.

For example: recently - though I no longer who it was or in which thread - someone posted something to which I responded that that was not to do with the topic being discussed. Later, I received a standard no-explanation PM from a mod to say a post of mine had been deleted. I presume it was that one, though I don't know for certain.

Mostly, I've just let it go and moved on. That works, for me.

I could imagine that there may be more dispute between a mod and a poster about deletions of posts that are [deemed to be] against the forum rules such as personal attacks, etc., or that are provocative, argumentative, or needling for trouble in one way or another.... because it's a matter of personal opinion (of the poster and also of the mod, plus anyone who might have reported a post) how close to the edge the poster may creep, before they fall. The simplest way, it seems to me, to avoid having one's post deleted because of those types of content would be just to post politely, in the first place.
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:27
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On a second read, this is an internet chat place FOR YOU.

For lots of other people it's about how to find a place to rent, import a car, bring the family to CH, get something repaired at home while avoid getting scammed in the process, sell/buy/give away stuff, organize some beers with others in a bar.

So, the internet chat place is a rather poor and limited understanding of the forum.
I think there is room for both here.

I didn’t see the deleted posts so no idea what they were about but I think some post deletions are inevitable when threads get seriously derailed.

From what I saw yesterday there were some quite good and fairly respectful discussions going on in the two safety threads but as I say I don’t know what was deleted so maybe they did go off the rails somehow.
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:41
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Is this meant to become a pure help forum where I can ask where to buy milk, and the only permissable responses are Coop and Migros?
Don't be daft. You can only ask where to get brown sugar.

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Very frustrating. I mean this is an internet chat place, not the yellow pages.
Quite wrong. It's meant to be both.

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It would be useful to hear what the policy of running this now is. Unfortunately, neither editors or mods have said anything substantive to this point.
New mods, new rules. It's like the rules of Mornington Crescent. Obvious really.

Fortunately, no one has died due to a thread deletion. None of us have a god given right to post our brainfarts. This is a private forum. We do not have freedom of speech.

If your posts are being deleted routinely, perhaps it's you. If you smell dog poo everywhere - check your shoes.
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:42
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There is only one and “correct” point of view possible
Twaddle. Proof by contradiction - you just posted a view that, if true, wouldn't be permitted.
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Old 01.10.2021, 09:45
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The problem is that some posters come here just to provoke and create chaos. That’s what happened to that thread. To be honest, I don’t think that even they believe in the stuff they write but just enjoy getting a rise from people’s reactions.

It’s disingenuous.
Thats just part of the story though, isnt it? I posted some actual facts on a controversial court case that was misrepresented in the discussion and get attacked afterwards with groans, red rep and some rather insulting personal attacks. I know those were reported to the mod team by other users and I stayed quiet on purpose, because I was curious about the reaction after the whole EF revamp...

The mod reaction was to split the thread and delete posts from one side of the argument only. No?
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Really? Are you sure? This post got deleted, why is that?

Damn! You got me. I had to delete the other 20-odd posts to cover my hatred of ex-mods.

I deleted several posts stemming from an misogynistic/incel rant. Initially, I considered letting the post go as the view was potentially a discussion point if it had been posted in good faith. The OP's later posts made it clear they were clearly trolling (or particularly nasty, if they were his real feelings).

A whole bunch of posts that would have made no sense out of context (including insults from both sides (and to the ex-mod)) were also deleted.
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Old 01.10.2021, 10:00
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The comments in question were indeed despicable and twattish. Misogyny and telling women that they need to lose weight for their opinion to matter is not "an opinion".
These were not my comments. In some cases, I did not even quote the "offensive" posts.


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On a second read, this is an internet chat place FOR YOU.

For lots of other people it's about how to find a place to rent, import a car, bring the family to CH, get something repaired at home while avoid getting scammed in the process, sell/buy/give away stuff, organize some beers with others in a bar.

So, the internet chat place is a rather poor and limited understanding of the forum.
Come on. You don't think people come here also for chatting??? There are so many trivial discussions here, and that is for me. It is hardly one or the other.

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Thats just part of the story though, isnt it? I posted some actual facts on a controversial court case that was misrepresented in the discussion and get attacked afterwards with groans, red rep and some rather insulting personal attacks. I know those were reported to the mod team by other users and I stayed quiet on purpose, because I was curious about the reaction after the whole EF revamp...

The mod reaction was to split the thread and delete posts from one side of the argument only. No?
Yes, agree. And that is my point: Mods seem to step in A LOT now, it is in my view not transparent on which basis, and there starts to be a smell it is one-sided.
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OP, you won't let it go, would you?

So what, a few replies from your immortal EF prose got deleted.....is this troubling you so much, like really?
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Dear Mods

I have been quite active here in the last year, and if I remember correctly only one of my posts ever got deleted by mods (and rightly so).

In the last few days, around 6-8 of my posts got deleted. Reasons apparently OT and/or response so someone else's OT or "twattery". While in those threads there certainly was diaagreement and somewhat a spicy debate, discussions were at least related to the title subject and no insults were thrown. I believe the response rate in the threads showed that people took interest in the discussions.

I find this interventionism annoying and discouraging debate.

Is this meant to become a pure help forum where I can ask where to buy milk, and the only permissable responses are Coop and Migros?

Very frustrating. I mean this is an internet chat place, not the yellow pages. It would be useful to hear what the policy of running this now is. Unfortunately, neither editors or mods have said anything substantive to this point.

Warm beer indeed.
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The comments in question were indeed despicable and twattish. Misogyny and telling women that they need to lose weight for their opinion to matter is not "an opinion".
I read the thread about female safety and it turned into the usual few suspects engaging in sexist rants. It's hardly the first time, for example one particular member goes to the "Max" to launch into misogynistic diatribes whenever the opportunity presents itself and has been called out for it multiple times in the past.

I'm not surprised the mods deleted posts, because it just got extremely silly and offensive to women in general and I like the fact that they are now actively checking and pruning this crap, whereas before other mods would have left it open and allowed it to get progressively worse.

Things are definitely improving.

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The problem is that some posters come here just to provoke and create chaos. That’s what happened to that thread. To be honest, I don’t think that even they believe in the stuff they write but just enjoy getting a rise from people’s reactions.

It’s disingenuous.
I think it's a mix of some people looking to court controversy and some people just being their genuine and worrying selves.

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OP, you won't let it go, would you?

So what, a few replies from your immortal EF prose got deleted.....is this troubling you so much, like really?
I think this is a governance topic and therefore important if the forum wants to stay attractive to a wide range of people. And there is only stonewalling from editors or mods on what the course here is.
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Old 01.10.2021, 10:48
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There is no democracy here, no need to be attractive to a 'broad range of people' and no requirement for the forum owners or mods to be transparent about what they are doing.



You are free to stick around and test it out, or go elsewhere... consider yourself a small fish in a big pond... actually more than a fish...consider yourself.... a frog....with long legs...and big beady eyes....who can jump out any time he (she?) wants....
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I think this is a governance topic and therefore important if the forum wants to stay attractive to a wide range of people. And there is only stonewalling from editors or mods on what the course here is.
Stonewalling, really? You posted this thread only 3 or so hours ago and mods have lives and/or jobs. Give them at least until the end of the day to formulate a reply before you start flinging melodramatic accusations around.

I mean really, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill... all the mods did was moderate a car crash of a thread and delete some crappy and sexist posts. I'd say they are doing their job pretty well.
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I think this is a governance topic and therefore important if the forum wants to stay attractive to a wide range of people. And there is only stonewalling from editors or mods on what the course here is.
So what would you like to say that you feel is being unfairly moderated? General topic, obvs, not specifics.
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