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As a mod, don't you think you should be more diplomat and less smart ass?
No.

Nothing smart-arse about my post. I would strongly prefer Ouchboy to stop reporting posts, as his reports are generally not helpful to the moderation team achieving their objectives of a neater, more user-friendly Forum. I believe many on the mod team share this view.
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Whoa, back up a minute. "Fear" moderator ruling?? Come on, someone closed a discussion thread on the internet. We're hardly talking 4:00am raids, forum police dragging away frightened housekeepers in curlers - are we?

I'm not a mod (can I get a Hallelujah on that?!) and would be the last to tell the current mods how to do their jobs - but in their shoes I'd be seriously tempted to close this thread too and tell everyone to go take a walk in the sunshine or something. It's getting awfully heavy in here.

Look, there always are, always have been 'hidden rules' on EF, guidelines not made completely explicit or applied completely as they are written. For example, racist, hateful and xenophobic posts are forbidden, but a certain amount of ranting and Swiss-bashing in Complaints Corner is tolerated, but no more than a certain amount... if there is too much (and who decides how much is too much? the mods, of course) a few posts are deleted, threads are locked, people take the hint and tone it down a bit until life goes on pretty much as before.

Same with sexual/'anatomical' matters. NSFW pictures are forbidden, but a certain amount of mildly racy discussion is tolerated, but no more than a certain amount. If it gets out of hand (in the mods' opinion - who else's?) then it will be reined in.

That's the way it always has been and probably always will be. You're never going to pin down the mods and make them tell you exactly what amount/kind of xenophobic or risqué posting they will tolerate before they start pressing buttons (they probably can't even quantify it themselves - I know I couldn't have when I was a mod) so you need to think about what exactly you want out of this discussion.


This goes for every forum I've ever been on, not just EF: if you're unhappy with a particular decision, argue it politely but don't ever push the mods to make all their rules totally explicit. If you succeed, the rules they make will invariably be stricter than either you or they would actually prefer. (and then if they enforce those rules they will be uniformly hated, if they don't enforce them they will be reviled as 'inconsistent' and eventually someone will call for a fresh round of consistent, explicit rules and it starts all over again. Been there, seen that.)
Best explanation thus far, IMHO. Thanks for taking the time to share your insight, especially since you are not a mod!
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Re: How to close a Thread?

Someone needs to beg MN to come back as a mod
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Nothing smart-arse about my post. I would strongly prefer Ouchboy to stop reporting posts, as his reports are generally not helpful to the moderation team achieving their objectives of a neater, more user-friendly Forum. I believe many on the mod team share this view.
Longbyt asked us to do so.
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Best explanation thus far, IMHO. Thanks for taking the time to share your insight, especially since you are not a mod!
While I agree, isn't that what some of us have been saying all along?
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Someone needs to beg MN to come back as a mod
You think that all respected ex-Mods should return, do ya'?
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Old 12.01.2012, 14:36
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Re: How to close a Thread?

As a parent of three boys, I'm requesting that all threads concerning guns (and there have been a few glorifying the things) are closed.

When they're a bit older, I'd much rather my kids bought condoms rather than guns.

Let's have some balance here, mods.

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You think that all respected ex-Mods should return, do ya'?
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Longbyt asked us to do so.
I'd welcome that too, as long as the reports are relevant and helpful. I wasn't referring to all members of EF.
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Old 12.01.2012, 14:50
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Whoa, back up a minute. "Fear" moderator ruling?? Come on, someone closed a discussion thread on the internet. We're hardly talking 4:00am raids, forum police dragging away frightened housekeepers in curlers - are we?
I suppose you understood it as a figure of speech, of course As I added on the parenthesis, I was actually not speaking about the closed thread, but the, in my opinion, rather rude insinuations from 22yards.

I'm making a pretty big effort in keeping a polite and thoughtful discussion. Though maybe I guess I shouldn't, I would expect a moderator to keep the threatening tone out of the discussion, since, at least in my reading, both points of view are keeping the speech moderate and with a cold head (no pune intended... ok maybe a bit). And we are indeed keeping on topic.

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If I was obvious enough, I'll be obvious now:

I don't agree with the closing of the thread, but I think Long made a very good job. I thank her for that. She closed a thread, expressed her doubts, and presented an option to re-open. I've been a moderator myself, and I know it's a tough job. I don't want to denegrate mods work, or take it at a personal moral ground.

Just honestly trying to understand a couple of points, no tongue in cheek, no second intentions, not trying to dig a hole under the walls of Massilia.

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I agree 100%. That is why I took on the discussion, even though, as it might not be ovious, I posted only a total of 3 posts in both thread... together. Because I honestly didn't believe it needed moderation.

I think we can all still talk, agree, disagree, without a threat to close this down, or am I living in the moon?
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While I agree, isn't that what some of us have been saying all along?
Most certainly it has, but in all honesty, it doesn't come together as well to effectively deliver the message when it is in bits and pieces interspersed with other posts and possibly not read in the same sitting.

However, I do believe that the info in MN's last paragraph had not been expressed previously, at least in the context of the discussion of the recent thread closures. As I actually posted regarding the issue of inconsistency, I particularly appreciate her addressing it.
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Re: How to close a Thread?

As much as I love a good soap opera here on the EF, it gets a tad boring when the cast (and the dialogue) never seem to change.

Seriously people, if you have such a huge issue with decisions here, rather than "fighting for your rights" and high falutin freedom of speech posts, why not just take it elsewhere. Other places exist, as you all know, since it is pretty much stacked with the same all star-cast as this here thread. I'd personally, quite genuinely, be interested to see how tits & bits chat goes down there (pun entirely unintended).
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As much as I love a good soap opera here on the EF, it gets a tad boring when the cast (and the dialogue) never seem to change.

Seriously people, if you have such a huge issue with decisions here, rather than "fighting for your rights" and high falutin freedom of speech posts, why not just take it elsewhere. Other places exist, as you all know, since it is pretty much stacked with the same all star-cast as this here thread. I'd personally, quite genuinely, be interested to see how tits & bits chat goes down there (pun entirely unintended).
So we shouldn't try to make the place we like a more transparent one, a more open one and a place not base on arbitrary decisions which doesn't show consistency? It that what you are saying?
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So we shouldn't try to make the place we like a more transparent one, a more open one and a place not base on arbitrary decisions which doesn't show consistency? It that what you are saying?
Yawn....thanks, Nil, for making my point crystal clear.

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FFS... trying to read this thread through just reminded me why I rarely post here anymore. This place isn't a democracy, it's a forum run by a profit making company and unpaid and overworked mods who have to deal with crap like this on a daily basis. They interpret the rules as they see fit depending on what sort of mood they are in. You don't like it? Then go elsewhere, or go outside and enjoy this beautiful weather. This is not life here, it's just another internet forum.

If I was a mod I would have nuked this thread, and dozens more like it, a long time ago..... and would probably be waving my very big banning stick at the same time.
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Seriously people, if you have such a huge issue with decisions here, rather than "fighting for your rights" and high falutin freedom of speech posts, why not just take it elsewhere.
Apparently I'm not passing the message. So here is my last post.

I am not flautin freedom of speech. I'm trying to understand rules and I am expressing an opinion. That's what people, at least among my dear friends, do on a healthy conversation.

As I wrote before, I tried other places. No offense intended, but it turned out a disappointment because it was so serious, so stiff-upper lip. Even with the star posters from here. It misses the charm.

What keeps me in the EF is what some people like to call "drama", "chit-chat" and "soap-opera". They use perjurative terms to people who are voicing concerns, sometimes I think just to be on the high horse.

I know a lot of these 10.000 users are addicted to conformism. I know others are addicted to revolting.

I'm a peaceful user, who wants to enjoy what kept me in this forum. I more or less gave up on other alternatives because I found this community and their silliness worth the hassel of the dealing with big-headed conformists.

Apparently the value I gave the forum reflects a wish to see me and those who voice concerns and even offers possibilities of improvement out. Silence is always good. Means all is well.

I find this sad, to say the least.

I take the point. I'll leave the discussion. I'll take the drama, the effort of mediating with me, and just keep on my corner. Apparently I have been in Switzerland too long. Being neutral, or fighting for a common understanding between tribes has not been waste on me.

Against my ideas, I actually integrated quite well.

So, out.
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..... and would probably be waving my very big banning stick at the same time.
A bit of modesty wouldn't go astray.
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Apparently I'm not passing the message. So here is my last post.

I am not flautin freedom of speech. I'm trying to understand rules and I am expressing an opinion. That's what people, at least among my dear friends, do on a healthy conversation.

As I wrote before, I tried other places. No offense intended, but it turned out a disappointment because it was so serious, so stiff-upper lip. Even with the star posters from here. It misses the charm.

What keeps me in the EF is what some people like to call "drama", "chit-chat" and "soap-opera". They use perjurative terms to people who are voicing concerns, sometimes I think just to be on the high horse.

I know a lot of these 10.000 users are addicted to conformism. I know others are addicted to revolting.

I'm a peaceful user, who wants to enjoy what kept me in this forum. I more or less gave up on other alternatives because I found this community and their silliness worth the hassel of the dealing with big-headed conformists.

Apparently the value I gave the forum reflects a wish to see me and those who voice concerns and even offers possibilities of improvement out. Silence is always good. Means all is well.

I find this sad, to say the least.

I take the point. I'll leave the discussion. I'll take the drama, the effort of mediating with me, and just keep on my corner. Apparently I have been in Switzerland too long. Being neutral, or fighting for a common understanding between tribes has not been waste on me.

Against my ideas, I actually integrated quite well.

So, out.
Helm, is it no way I would have been close to say it the way you did, thank you. This is 1000% the way I feel too.
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What keeps me in the EF is what some people like to call "drama", "chit-chat" and "soap-opera". They use perjurative terms to people who are voicing concerns, sometimes I think just to be on the high horse.
I don't mean to be rude but then this thread should satisfy the need for drama here than more serious elsewhere

It's threads like this that drive me elsewhere with a toe still dipped in here for nostalgic reasons

The drama bores me but I know many on here feed off it - many who are getting their knickers in a twist on this thread are actually if they think about it loving the drama of actually contributing more to this.

It's great that places now exist for which ever mood you may be in, serious or drama


p.s although I liked your post and I wouldn't put you down as one of the 'drama' posters
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