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Old 19.05.2009, 12:41
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This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

Regarding Members, Senior Members and Forum Veterans chiding people for starting a thread on a topic that was discussed previously....

This "Has been discussed on a previous thread" stuff is always going to happen.

I feel for the old timers here who see the same threads starting up every few months, but hey, what do you expect? You're on a forum where you have new members joining almost daily, some of whom have some similar queries to previous members.

The only difference is, when they ask the question, they get told to go [EF Search Function] themselves. I don't think it's really all that fair to newbies who simply may not realise the topic has been dealt with before, or those who may not even realise there is a search function.

Couple that with the fact that some of the previous threads may have upwards of 1000 posts, and it's not a very attractive proposition. Some people don't have the time or patience to trawl through 500 posts on a thread that meanders in and out of the topic more than Miss South Carolina talking about deficiencies in second level education, looking for one specific nugget of information, when it would be much easier for someone with a little knowledge on the topic to put together a three sentence answer, with a little note saying "For more information search ..<Insert Topic Here>.."

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Old 19.05.2009, 12:52
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Re: This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

This topic has been discussed... somewhere. :-)

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Re: This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

In a way it is six of one and half a dozen of the other. Original threads often aren't really well tagged (bad spelling, etc.) and do meander off topic but if anyone dares to mention spelling they get cut off at the knees for victimising people with English not as a first language.

For the forum's sake, it makes searching for a topic bloody difficult when there are so many threads discussing the same thing over and over again which, in the long run, actually benefits newbies and cuts down their search time.

If you have a million threads all saying "I'm non-EU and I don't know what permit I will get" all answered in different ways how is that going to help someone searching the forum?

The mods will either merge or delete threads which are obvious duplicates.

For newbies, ignorance is no real defence - clicking on "Search" in the menu bar and typing in "permit" is hardly rocket science (unless the tag has been written "permmit" or "permis" or in either French, German or Italian ).
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Old 19.05.2009, 13:00
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Re: This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

I'm strongly against posts stating that something has been discussed before without providing at least one link. Why? I've encountered at least one case where a troll posted this to a thread about a topic that clearly wasn't discussed on EF before.

If there are several similar threads, link one or two of them.

If there is a perfect match for the thread, using the Report Post feature instead of posting would make a soon merged thread easier to read in the future...
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Re: This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

Some topics might even be worth to be discussed all over again, no? like ... yeah like what now ... ?






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Old 19.05.2009, 13:07
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Considering the fact that this is an English forum, I don't think anyone can legitimately complain if they are corrected. We really should be promoting proper English spelling and grammar.

And I take your point about searching, but is there any reason that a thread which has a very specific, tailored answer to a specific question (with defined parameters) has to stay longer than, say, a week?

For example;

Q: I am an Irish citizen, however my father was Indian and my mother was Chinese-American. I have a job and my employer is sorting out the permit. What permit will I get?

A: You will get a B-Permit for 2 years. (For more information search "EU-Permit")

Now, there's no reason that thread has to stay on the server for more than a few days, is there? And the response takes as long to type as "This topic has been discussed before. Use the search function."

Ah, well. I think it's more the attitude that gets me, not so much the content of the responses. It's just not as helpful (or sometimes, polite) as I'd expect.
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Old 19.05.2009, 13:09
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sharkey, whom are u talking about here?

I would have thought that was quite obvious, Sada, my dear.
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Re: This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

But don't you think it is courtesy from both sides? Is it right to launch into your first post with:

What permit will I get?

or

Where do I buy self-raising flour?

or

Why are all the Swiss rude?

No introductory post, no evidence of using the search function. I think it has been said before but I wouldn't go up to a group of strangers in a pub which I figure are expats and would probably have a few answers and blurt out a question.

Perhaps the responses to these questions on the forum are a little abrupt but isn't that just keeping to the same attitude with which the original poster shoved the original question into the forum?
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Old 19.05.2009, 13:23
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No introductory post, no evidence of using the search function. I think it has been said before but I wouldn't go up to a group of strangers in a pub which I figure are expats and would probably have a few answers and blurt out a question.
Good point. I was assuming that everyone would have the same level of manners and common courtesy, but in hindsight, and taking into account the fact that this is the internet (which is, by its very nature, an anonymous outlet for the lowest common denominator of intellect and character) it was a foolish assumption to make.

Sometimes I forget how faceless the Internet is.
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Old 19.05.2009, 13:23
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Re: This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

Agreed. We're a community of people here to help each other but not to do the work for the bone idle...

The sheer size of the forum has lead to searches being rather cumbersome and the volume of thread highjacking along with the signal to noise ratio at times does make the search rather frustrating. I sympathise BUT... I'm amazed at the number of times I've done a quick google and have been able to link in relevant links with the answers on a first hit...
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Old 19.05.2009, 13:29
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I sympathise BUT... I'm amazed at the number of times I've done a quick google and have been able to link in relevant links with the answers on a first hit...

Yep. Sometimes a link to lmgtfy would do the world of good. But I think some people really just don't understand how simple it is to get information. Maybe Wolfram Alpha will help with that...
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Re: This Topic Has Been Discussed Before......

Regarding searches, I often have to search through google using 'englishforum' as a search term as a) some useful terms are considered too short to be searched (CH, UK, etc) and b) it says you have to wait for 15 seconds between searches, but it often seems to take a lot longer to get it to run again. A lot of the searches turn up old threads that aren't tagged and have out-of-date information or something unconnected.
I'm not actually complaining about the search function, but it's not the be-all and end-all of the forum as is sometimes made out in some of the replies to a question.
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Yep. Sometimes a link to lmgtfy would do the world of good. But I think some people really just don't understand how simple it is to get information. Maybe Wolfram Alpha will help with that...
wolfram alpha has turned out to be very much that... an Alpha release...
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Old 19.05.2009, 15:15
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Regarding Members, Senior Members and Forum Veterans chiding people for starting a thread on a topic that was discussed previously....

This "Has been discussed on a previous thread" stuff is always going to happen.

I feel for the old timers here who see the same threads starting up every few months, but hey, what do you expect? You're on a forum where you have new members joining almost daily, some of whom have some similar queries to previous members.

The only difference is, when they ask the question, they get told to go [EF Search Function] themselves. I don't think it's really all that fair to newbies who simply may not realise the topic has been dealt with before, or those who may not even realise there is a search function.

Couple that with the fact that some of the previous threads may have upwards of 1000 posts, and it's not a very attractive proposition. Some people don't have the time or patience to trawl through 500 posts on a thread that meanders in and out of the topic more than Miss South Carolina talking about deficiencies in second level education, looking for one specific nugget of information, when it would be much easier for someone with a little knowledge on the topic to put together a three sentence answer, with a little note saying "For more information search ..<Insert Topic Here>.."

Just my two cents... Take it or leave it... I'm not really pushed.
This topic has been discussed recently, actually just two threads or so below your new one

Oh yes, here is the link: Please Read the Stickies Before Starting New Threads!

I am one of the people who has lately pointed several newbies to the search function. I agree with Uncle Max in the above linked discussion that there have always been duplicates, but the number is out of proportion lately.
I love to help people, that is mostly why I hang around here. But if somebody asks for the 50th time about "how much is life here?" or "can I import cars or should I buy locally?" I get annoyed. Not because it is not worth to discuss, but because "importing car" will deliver all infor ever neccessary in our forum search function.
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Treverus: you shouldn't be posting anywhere near newbies with that mind-bending avatar - you'll scare them off.
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Psychedelic, baby!


Just sit back and look at it:

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Old 19.05.2009, 15:51
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Maybe we can get a subliminal message across with his avatar?

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Thanks, I will give it a try... but I do not really believe in this tree-hugging hippy crap.
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it's actually really making me dizzy...

edit: any chance that might trigger off an epileptic event?
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Old 19.05.2009, 20:12
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edit: any chance that might trigger off an epileptic event?
No... but this one might:

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